Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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Evos trot out a lie as truth and when truth is presented it is denied as being false because their scientists (who back up the lie) won't disprove their findings. Actually, their assumptions.
I thank you for your concern of my needs, but can assure you that what little time I have left on this earth... evolution and the religion of islam, will not be among those needs.
It is unbelievable that evos want creos to utilize their false data to disprove their original lie in order to be considered legit. Of course, if the case was ever made that the lie was exposed by utilizing the evos data the claim would go out that the data was from an insane scientist.
There is. That's why evolution, in the form of the neo-Darwinian or Synthetic Theory, is the "only game in town". It triumphed something like 100 years ago.
At the HS level, all students can learn is the basics of the varous sciences. The fact of evolution is evident from the fossil rocord, and the theory is supported by innumerable bits of evidence from fossils, geographic distribution, biochenistry, embryology, etc.
To pretend that there is some sort of controversy in science is iresponsible; the only controversy is between various sects of Christianity and Islam.
ID and/or creationism will have to advance to the point of being testable scientific theories with lots of evidence and success in explaining phenomena that the current theory can't before it will be ready for HS level presentation. If this ever happens, it will be in research labs.
Truth, what truth?
Biblical truth, or scientific truth?
Because there is a huge difference between the 2.
Biblical truth is based on faith, you don't need evidence to believe it.
Whereas Scientific "truth" is a bit harder to come by, or to make real, so to speak. Science takes real evidence, things that you can literally put your hands on, no faith necassary, and as that evidence comes together, it leads to a conclusion by science of what it means and how it got there.
This is reality, this is how science works.
When you have some solid evidence, something that you can literally put your hands on, like a fossil that is half cat and half dog, or a dog giving birth to a fish, Human bones fossilized and mixed in with the same strata as dinosaur fossils, or whatever other thing that would be impossible if evolution is true, then you have falsified the theory.
Find evidence that shows evolution is false, hard, scientific evidence, that will pass peer review.
I have yet to see it, but, as far as your truths as lies bit, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong, and your propaganda does not say much about your honesty.
Evolution is one of the best backed scientific theories there is, all you have to do is find the evidence to falsify it.
If you do, you could indeed win the nobel prize.
I'm having a hard time believing this; are you claiming that the teacher was so awful that you couldn't tell the disproved Lamarckian theory from normal biology?!
So what can I put my hand on that started the Big Bang? Now don't go telling me that isn't science. By the way, scientific conclusion is not necessarily fact. The scientific community would like us all to think so but many of us know better.
False data?
Do you mean that dinosaur fossils do not exist, or the Genetic markers within DNA does not exist? Are you saying that archeopterix does not exist? That the skulls that show common descent, are indeed fakes?
Are you saying that all the evidence that shows that evolution is indeed what happened, and is happening is all false? That there is a great conspiracy of scientists, and microbiologists, and Geneticists, archeologists, paleontologists, etc, that are all keeping the secret that evolution really isn't true, and that the evidence they have they create from whole cloth?
Wow, now that's a conspiracy. LOL
And you sir are just out there. LOL
I knew you were going to take that and push it to the limit of your ability.
I can see pictures of the radiation patterns, the background radiation, microwave, doppler shifts etc, to show the pattern that indeed, seems to indicate that all the galaxies are spreading apart from one central point in the universe, which shows that the Big Bang, probably occurred.
I can literally put my hands on the measurements, on the pictures, on the peer reviewed reports by scientists.
Yes, I can literally put my hands on evidence of the Big bang, just as I can literally put my hands on the evidence for the theory of evolution.
I also had a parent with Alzheimers...my mom died 14yrs ago, from Alzheimers...my dad while he was able, cared for her until he died...I then, brought her to live with me, and cared for her until she died...
Yes, it was a long, hard, difficult journey, but one I would not trade for anything...it was a privilege to care for my mom, to care for her in her fragile state, as she cared for me when I was a child...
I worked in nursing homes for many years...I always requested to work primarily on the Alzheimers wings, as I found I somehow could easily care for them, perhaps because of my experiences with my mom...
It always struck me, how Alzheimers is so awful, slowly robbing people of their memories...it also struck me how Alzheimers will strike just about anyone, no one is immune...I have cared for an English University Professor, a farmer, a rancher, a couple of engineers, a judge, a concert pianist, a couple of business executives, a couple of medical doctors, a couple of lawyers, a state senator, a Barnum and Baily circus clown, a missionary from China, a couple of clergymen, housewives, factory workers, secretaries, retired military, car salesmen, and on and on...so many people from so many different backgrounds, with so many different careers....all have one thing in common...Alzheimers, slowly robbing them of their memories, and robbing them of their past...its in insidious awful disease...
I will keep you both in my thoughts and in my prayers...one of you has already lost your parent to Alzheimers, the other is dealing with a parent living with Alzheimers...
My very best to both of you...
And I can put my hand on the Bible and know that the truth of creation is in it. By the way, could you mail me some of that Big Bang material? I'd like to compare it to what is in my septic tank.
Heck, I have evidence that slavery is acceptable because the Bible told me so. What do you think about that?
Hey, how's your class mate? You two still getting along?
These threads do bring out the archetypes.
I'm so glad you thought to ping me to your worthy post! Thank you for saying these things.
Just out of curiosity, what is "The law of abiogenesis"?
And you have a nice day, too, honey.
No, I consider ignorance throwing out the FACTS of science. One can believe in the creation of the universe by a creator..the same creator who made the 'soul' of man in his own image and likeness, without throwing out the science of the universe. You see by throwing out the science...your questioning Gods motives, techniques and not living up to his expectations of the inquisitive sentient being he breathed life into.
During the darkest part of the Dark Ages, there was an enlightened monastery known as the Abbey O'Genesis. They were famous for the ale which the brothers of the abbey produced. It was so good that many of the brothers were getting drunk on their brew before noon, and spent the rest of the day in unproductive slumber.
Desperate to keep the monks attentive to their religious and ale-producing duties, the abbot ordered that no alcoholic beverages could be consumed until sundown. The monks rebelled, and the abbot was driven from his post. He found refuge in Rome, but it is said that he drank himself to death. A strange tale.
Anyway, his tragic ruling became known as the Law of Abbey O'Genesis.
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