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The war between North and South
BostonGlobe ^ | May 9, 2006 | PETER S. CANELLOS

Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

WASHINGTON -- Back in the 2004 presidential primaries, when Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, suggested that Democrats should be competing for the votes of young men with Confederate flags on their pickups, politicians from both parties rushed to accuse him of repeating a vile Southern stereotype: the redneck with antiquated views on race. < SNIP >

''Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday," quipped Georgia Senator Zell Miller, the conservative Democrat who supported President Bush. ''Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It's the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hard-working individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn't understand the South." < SNIP >

Many Southerners express outrage at Northern depictions of Confederate-loving Southerners, even as they accede to the idea that the flag has a place in their regional heritage. Only those inside the Southern family circle can truly understand the region's complicated relationship with its own history.< SNIP >

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: usmcobra
One need only examine who threw a monkey wrench into reconstruction to know why it failed.

I'll give you a hint, it was a Democrat President that was almost impeached.

Wrong on so many levels ...

First, Johnson had served in the Senate as a Democrat, but he was elected VP on the Republican ticket. It is kind of funny that you feel the need to go out of your way to find a Democrat to blame for what went wrong 140 years ago, when neither party was close to what it is today.

Second, he wasn't almost impeached, he was impeached, and almost removed from office.

But the most farcical claim is that Johnson somehow torpedoed Reconstruction. The Radical Republicans had a veto-proof majority; they got the Reconstruction they wanted. Johnson had about as much to do with it as a potted plant.

The person most responsible for the failure of Reconstruction was John Wilkes Booth. If Lincoln had lived, and had pursued the kind of reconciliation he talked about in his second inaugural address, he alone could have exercised the personal leadership to keep the Radicals in line.

With his murder, the voices crying for revenge had no one who could effectively counter them. So we got Reconstruction without any real reconstructing; Union troops just punished the South for a decade and then left. And we got to divide the nation again on the issue of racial equality a few decades later.

161 posted on 05/11/2006 10:31:26 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: usmcobra
Truth: Every Klansman ever elected or selected for public office has been a democrat.

Again an undeniable fact.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

In the one case where the Klan essentially ran a state, it was through the Republican party. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jackson

162 posted on 05/11/2006 10:40:16 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: MamaTexan
but if you don't stop

(rolls eyes)

163 posted on 05/11/2006 12:22:10 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: MamaTexan
Since that was in 1870, after the major and unconstitutional expansion of government, I'm not suprised at that descision.

The typical southron complaint. Something is unconstitutional because you say it is.

No, the Constitution gives the government the authority to standardize the weight of and coin money, not 'regulate the value of the dollar'.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 5: "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;" I thought you read it?

164 posted on 05/11/2006 1:07:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5: "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof,

REG'ULATE, v.t.
1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
http://65.66.134.201/cgi-bin/webster/webster.exe?search_for_texts_web1828=regulate

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Congress can decide what the standard weight of the coin will be, NOT the value of what it's worth.

165 posted on 05/11/2006 1:40:33 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: MamaTexan
Main Entry: reg·u·late
Pronunciation: 're-gy&-"lAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -lat·ed; -lat·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin regulatus, past participle of regulare, from Latin regula rule
1 a : to govern or direct according to rule b (1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority (2) : to make regulations for or concerning
2 : to bring order, method, or uniformity to
3 : to fix or adjust the time, amount, degree, or rate of

Gives a little different picture.

166 posted on 05/11/2006 1:49:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ohioman
it is a private society of persons, who are descendants of persons who served BOTH on the USA AND on the CSA sides either before/during/after the WBTS.

free dixie,sw

167 posted on 05/11/2006 2:20:52 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: MamaTexan
actually, N-S is the ONLY one of the current "DY Coven" members whose comments i either believe to be "educated" and/or "incisive". the fact that i seldom agree with his CONCLUSIONS and/or his PROPAGANDA, which he spreads around like fertilizer, nonetheless i respect/like him.

free dixie,sw

168 posted on 05/11/2006 2:24:22 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stainlessbanner
To Neil Young and Blowhard Howard Dean:
"Southern man don't need him around..."
169 posted on 05/11/2006 2:24:50 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"Many European American racists were ardent supporters of the Democratic Party."

Actually the Democrat Party IS RACIST to the core.

Their sole aim is and always has been to keep folks in a plantation state of mind

170 posted on 05/11/2006 2:25:51 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix
well you are certainly CORRECT, if you confine your comment/opinion to the 20th/21st century.

by today's standards, EVERYONE in the USA was "a racist" in earlier times.

free dixie,sw

171 posted on 05/11/2006 2:28:36 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: ReignOfError
actually, "DIShonest abe" the clay-footed, secular saint of DAMNyankeeland would have done whatever was POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT, had he lived. in other words, he would have nodded "sadly" & done whatever the Radical Republicans wanted to do.

he & wee willie klintoon are ideological TWINS, separated by 140 years.

BOTH were SHYSTER lawyers. BOTH had/have the morals of a hog at the trough. BOTH were interested in POWER & $$$$$$$$, to the exclusion of "doing what is morally right".

EITHER would offer the public "Free White House Recipes" to cook humans, if 3-4% of the voters chose to engage in cannibalism!

free dixie,sw

172 posted on 05/11/2006 2:38:23 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: ReignOfError
With his murder, the voices crying for revenge had no one who could effectively counter them. So we got Reconstruction without any real reconstructing; Union troops just punished the South for a decade and then left. And we got to divide the nation again on the issue of racial equality a few decades later.

For most Confederates, any "real reconstructing" was just vengeance and "punishing the South." A large proportion of those who'd fought against the United States were adamantly opposed to racial equality or suffrage for Blacks. 140 years later people can deceive themselves about this to their heart's content, but it doesn't change the facts. Most Northerners were also opposed to racial equality, but it's wrong and a cop-out to assume that the problems with Reconstruction were all the fault of the Republicans. If the ex-Confederates had things their way, it certainly wouldn't have meant that racial equality would have come about any sooner.

173 posted on 05/11/2006 2:57:58 PM PDT by x
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To: Non-Sequitur
Gives a little different picture.

Well, I imagine it does since the definition I posted was from Webster's 1828 dictionary (so as to get a definition closer to the era of the Constitution) and yours was probably from a contemporary dictionary.

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Document 6 Records of the Federal Convention

16. S & H.D. in C. ass. shall have the exclusive Right of coining Money--regulating its Alloy & Value--fixing the Standard of Weights and Measures throughout U.S.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a1_8_5.html

Regulation of alloy and value. How much actual precious metal and how much alloy is contained in each coin. The action of deciding what's IN the coins, does, by default, *regulate* it's value.

174 posted on 05/11/2006 3:23:49 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: MamaTexan
Regulation of alloy and value. How much actual precious metal and how much alloy is contained in each coin.

So what is to prevent Congress from regulating no precious metal and no alloy in the coin? In other words, paper money?

175 posted on 05/11/2006 3:32:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
So what is to prevent Congress from regulating no precious metal and no alloy in the coin?

Because thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not bear false witness are STILL points of law no matter WHAT venue you're in. Coining money in such a manner would be both.

I've already explained the 'paper money'. I won't bother doing so again.

176 posted on 05/11/2006 3:39:39 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So what is to prevent Congress from regulating no precious metal and no alloy in the coin?

I misread your last post, sorry.
(Note to self: don't make cookies & post at the same time.)

If it has no metal and no alloy, it's not a 'coin', it's air.

Rather similar to paper money, but without the fiber.

:-)

177 posted on 05/11/2006 3:59:32 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I may have been born a Yankee, but my sympathies have always been with the South....


178 posted on 05/11/2006 4:56:24 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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To: MamaTexan
Because thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not bear false witness are STILL points of law no matter WHAT venue you're in.

And where in the Constitution is that to be found?

I've already explained the 'paper money'. I won't bother doing so again.

No you've given your opinion and want the rest of us to accept it as fact. Sorry if I can't do that.

179 posted on 05/11/2006 5:02:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MamaTexan
If it has no metal and no alloy, it's not a 'coin', it's air.

But it's still money, which the Congress is tasked with regulating.

180 posted on 05/11/2006 5:03:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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