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The war between North and South
BostonGlobe ^ | May 9, 2006 | PETER S. CANELLOS

Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

WASHINGTON -- Back in the 2004 presidential primaries, when Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, suggested that Democrats should be competing for the votes of young men with Confederate flags on their pickups, politicians from both parties rushed to accuse him of repeating a vile Southern stereotype: the redneck with antiquated views on race. < SNIP >

''Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday," quipped Georgia Senator Zell Miller, the conservative Democrat who supported President Bush. ''Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It's the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hard-working individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn't understand the South." < SNIP >

Many Southerners express outrage at Northern depictions of Confederate-loving Southerners, even as they accede to the idea that the flag has a place in their regional heritage. Only those inside the Southern family circle can truly understand the region's complicated relationship with its own history.< SNIP >

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: MamaTexan
you're WELCOME, dear lady.

free dixie,sw

141 posted on 05/11/2006 9:20:00 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur
do you DENY that we discussed this very subject on another thread, months ago??

careful, N-S, as someone is SURE to look it up & "insert it forcefully in your ear".

free dixie,sw

142 posted on 05/11/2006 9:21:35 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: llevrok

The western coastal strip is estranged from the rest of the country, more or less like the Bowash strip in the east.


143 posted on 05/11/2006 9:22:18 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: CurlyBill

"Yep... it was all about slavery... at least that's what we've all been told all these years and taught by those same teachers who told us that we should be Democrats because they are "for the people." Yeah... I believe it. < /sarcasm>"

and what those same idiots either fail to realize, or choose to ignore is, the Party they so dearly love was the party of the Slave Owners in the South.

I'm no big fan of the Democrat Party then or now. But my home, my country, is the great State of Georgia.

Something that Yankees will never understand.


144 posted on 05/11/2006 9:23:47 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: stand watie
careful, N-S, as someone is SURE to look it up & "insert it forcefully in your ear".

Be my guest.

145 posted on 05/11/2006 9:24:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CurlyBill

The deal that the North cut with the South. You all can rule in the South so long as you keep the blacks from moving north.


146 posted on 05/11/2006 9:24:40 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: CurlyBill

Only to the leaders of the RAT Rebellion was Slavery THE issue. That was the only reason they tried to destroy the Union.


147 posted on 05/11/2006 9:25:52 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
ONLY to the IGNORANT,SELF-righteous FOOLS,LEFTISTS,STATISTS, REVISIONISTS & their "brain-DEAD true believers" is ANY of that true.

try again. i'm laughing AT your DUMB-bunny post. (are you trying to replace "Mr. SPIN" as the "class fool" & "laughingstock" of FR????)

free dixie,sw

148 posted on 05/11/2006 9:39:55 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

blah, blah, blah. Why are America-haters like you still allowed to pollute this site with your mindless ravings?


149 posted on 05/11/2006 9:44:30 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
IF there are ANY "America-haters" on FR, it is within the DAMNyankee, lincoln-worshiping, ARROGANT, dumbbunny fringe of the unionist coven.

off hand i'd say that you ARE replacing "mr. spin" as the MOST clueLESS, hate-FILLED, LOUDmouthed of the DYs.

lol AT you! (don't you KNOW that most everyone here thinks that you're a DUNCE?? don't you CARE that you are routinely RIDICULED by everyone, who has an IQ "above room temperature"?)

free dixie,sw

150 posted on 05/11/2006 9:48:41 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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Mayor Nagin For President


151 posted on 05/11/2006 9:49:46 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: usmcobra

I have an American flag on my Mailbox in the front of my house and a Confederate Flag in my Garage, and I am EQUALLY proud of my ancestors who fought on both sides of the Civil War.


152 posted on 05/11/2006 9:56:53 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: battlegearboat
rotflmRao!

free dixie,sw

153 posted on 05/11/2006 9:57:07 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: ohioman
GOOD FOR YOU!

did you know that you're eligible for The Society of the Blue & Gray??

free dixie,sw

154 posted on 05/11/2006 9:58:35 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: MamaTexan
Ah, Pinckney at the Ratifying Debates. I like this one:
Gen. C. C. Pinckney: . . . The general then said he would make a few observations on the objections which the gentleman had thrown out on the restrictions that might be laid on the African trade after the year 1808. On this point your delegates had to contend with the religious and political prejudices of the Eastern and Middle States, and with the interested and inconsistent opinion of Virginia, who was warmly opposed to our importing more slaves. I am of the same opinion now as I was two years ago, when I used the expressions the gentleman has quoted--that, while there remained one acre of swamp-land uncleared of South Carolina, I would raise my voice against restricting the importation of negroes. I am as thoroughly convinced as that gentleman is, that the nature of our climate, and the flat, swampy situation of our country, obliges us to cultivate our lands with negroes, and that without them South Carolina would soon be a desert waste...

155 posted on 05/11/2006 9:59:37 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: stand watie

What is the Society of the Blue & Gray?


156 posted on 05/11/2006 10:02:00 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: pcottraux

It never ended.


157 posted on 05/11/2006 10:11:19 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Majority opinion in Legal Tender Cases

Since that was in 1870, after the major and unconstitutional expansion of government, I'm not suprised at that descision.

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The Constitution gives Congess the power to regulate the value of the dollar.

No, the Constitution gives the government the authority to standardize the weight of and coin money, not 'regulate the value of the dollar'.

158 posted on 05/11/2006 10:11:53 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: stand watie
have you actually "met" N-S??

No, I have not. But like you, I respect most Freepers and their opinons even when they are different that mine.

159 posted on 05/11/2006 10:13:45 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So how do you reconcile Article VI, Clause 2 with that gem of yours?

The clause in question:

Article VI. - The United States
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

George Tucker's annotated version of Blackstone-Volume 1 — Appendix
Note D
[Section 18 - Miscellaneous Provisions (cont.)]
The most satisfactory answer seems to be, that the powers entrusted to the federal government being all positive, enumerated, defined, and limited to particular objects; and those objects such as relate more immediately to the intercourse with foreign nations, or the relation in respect to war or peace, in which we may stand with them; there can, in these respects, be little room for collision, or interference between the states, whose jurisdiction may be regarded as confided to their own domestic concerns, and the United States, who have no right to interfere, or exercise a power in any case not delegated to them; or absolutely necessary to the execution of some delegated power. That, as this control cannot possibly extend beyond those objects to which the federal government is competent, under the constitution, and under the declaration contained in the twelfth article, so neither ought the laws, or even the constitution of any state to impede the operation of the federal government in any case within the limits of it's constitutional powers. That a law limited to such objects as may be authorised by the constitution, would, under the true construction of this clause, be the supreme law of the land; but a law not limited to those objects, or not made pursuant to the constitution, would not be the supreme law of the land, but an act of usurpation, and consequently void.

State Constitutions

THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 24 - MILITARY SUBORDINATE TO CIVIL AUTHORITY
The military shall at all times be subordinate to the civil authority.

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CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF KANSAS
BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec. 4. The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

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CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS
PART THE FIRST A Declaration of the Rights of the Inhabitants of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Article XVII. The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.

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THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEVADA
ARTICLE. 1. Declaration of Rights
Sec. 11. Right to keep and bear arms; civil power supreme.
2. The military shall be subordinate to the civil power; No standing army shall be maintained by this State in time of peace, and in time of War, no appropriation for a standing army shall be for a longer time than two years.

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All the states have similar clauses. Look them up for yourself.

FYI- legal definitions
(http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com):
civil law
3: the law established by a nation or state for its own jurisdiction

military law
law enforced by military rather than civil authority

Well...since the STATES are CIVIL authorities and the federal government is a MILITARY authority, I believe that answers your very snidely asked question quite well.

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How can laws passed under the Constitution supercede local laws if the Congress's legislative authority begins and ends with DC?

That's the point, as long as the government abides by the Constitution, they can't. The States created the federal government NOT the other way around!

Look- I enjoy a rousing debate as much as the next person, but if you stop addressing me in such an insulting and condescending manner this conversation has come to an end.

160 posted on 05/11/2006 10:17:20 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders...whether it likes it or not!)
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