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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: KJacob
Which of your civil liberties have been eroded?

For starters...

- Property rights, taking of property without compensation. Ooops, those are problems caused by liberals.

-Freedom of assocition: not allowed to join a group as you see fit (Boy Scouts, etc). Ooops, those are also problems caused by liberals.

-Free Speech, turning objective criticism into hate speech (liberal)

-Right to Life if every part of your body except your head is outside of the womb (liberal)

381 posted on 12/10/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: thecanuck

Give the poor guy a break.

This thread was first posted at 9:37am, and your post number 367 at 11:08am, a mere 91 minutes later, makes a response rate of 4.03 posts per minute, or nearly one response every 15 seconds, nearly all of which are directed to him.

If he took five minutes to draft a response to a single post, he'd find himself 20 posts behind by the time he submitted it.


382 posted on 12/10/2004 11:14:09 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: rogerv
"I plan to start some threads "


LOL!

I just knew you would.

Maybe we scare away liberals who aren't clinical egomaniacs. Maybe that's why they always have to introduce themselves and then start "lively and interesting" threads.

383 posted on 12/10/2004 11:14:38 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Howlin

Hi Howlin, Good to see you again. Looks like we are on a thread where you and I will agree!


384 posted on 12/10/2004 11:14:51 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: jpsb
"I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good."

Then you have been bamboozled, my FRiend...the Federal Leviathan has become a self-serving entity, more concerned with self-preservation growing its own power than serving the common good.

FReegards...MUD

385 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:09 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: BJungNan

I guess I should have asked what civil liberties have been eroded by Bush. CFR? Well the 527's had their say.


386 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:17 AM PST by KJacob (I will not worry about 2008 until late 2007.)
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To: bray

I speak fluent cliche. Yes, I like Christmas.


387 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:18 AM PST by rogerv
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To: rogerv; Darksheare; Old Sarge; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Americanwolfsbrother

Where do you see the President exceeding the power that the constitution currently affords him? That is why we have the checks and balance in the Judical and Legislative branchs..

The converse question can be how do we limit the activity of activist judges that attempt to legislate from the bench?


388 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:37 AM PST by Americanwolf (Democratic Underground... Digital Crack for the the loony left.....Hey troll! Put the pipe down!)
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To: Piranha

Well written!!


389 posted on 12/10/2004 11:16:47 AM PST by international american (Generation Jones: "I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the free-throw line of life)
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To: sneakers

Yup. ...and I did not abandon the Democratic Party. They abandoned me, many years ago.


390 posted on 12/10/2004 11:16:57 AM PST by houeto
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To: Warren_Piece

Is that an exceptionally small kitten or an excessively large lime?


391 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:05 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: Sprite518

Which sentence? I mostly do orginal writting, and I am certainly not a Marxist. I am a classical liberal, which makes me an ultra conservative in 2004.


392 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:07 AM PST by jpsb
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To: rogerv
More food for thought:

Bill of No Rights

393 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:19 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: rogerv
Okay . . . You're running . . . Are you in love with this wonderful couple, as well?


394 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:38 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: mvpel

Hey that was my first reaction too, (I posted as much) but now that he is responding, he had failed to address even a few of the earliest and I think very reasonable questions. Still a lot of sucking up,rather than getting down to the substance, he asked for.


395 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:38 AM PST by thecanuck
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To: rogerv

Welcome to FR. Just make sure you are logged in.


396 posted on 12/10/2004 11:17:57 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Americanwolf
I simply stated my opinion. This will be my last post on this thread. It's really rather boring.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

397 posted on 12/10/2004 11:18:37 AM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: bmwcyle
Do you understand the monetary differences between government charity and church based charity?

I know about the first part. Government takes one dollar, keeps 90 cents for itself and then dispenses the other 10 cents to get its way.

398 posted on 12/10/2004 11:19:02 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Americanwolf

A weakened President would mean a weakened country. Let me see now.....who would like to see America weakened? Could it be the leftist liberals par chance?


399 posted on 12/10/2004 11:19:26 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: airborne
"I sense a soft probe from a stealth troll."

Probing fer WHAT?! I do agree with you about the lack of "...a single response of substance", though.

FReegards...MUD

400 posted on 12/10/2004 11:19:47 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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