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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: rogerv

Work to end immigration because we're out of room.



101 posted on 12/10/2004 9:57:35 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: rogerv

Roger V:

Name one "civil liberty" of yours that has been "eroded". In fact, I challenge you to define the term "civil liberty", because I would be willing to bet that you, like the vasy majority of liberals who spout this drivel, have never read the US Constitution. You probably believe that the term "separation of church and state" actually adheres in prohibiting the display of a Christmas Nativity Scene in a city hall or on the lawn of the White House. I'd like you to document a single instance in which one of the so-called "poor" in the US has been denied "health care" at a US hospital. Show us a documented instance where the "social safety net" has failed one of the "poor" in this country. These are all liberal "issues" that really have no basis in fact or reality.

But, welcome to FreeRepublic. Careful, though, if you hang around long enough, you might actually get an education and come over to the side of reality.

Merry Christmas!!!


102 posted on 12/10/2004 9:57:38 AM PST by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: rogerv
What state are you from and what is your take on your local politics?

For instance, I'm from PA and my take on Democrats is that they want to stick their hands deep down in my pockets, just like good ole Philly city boss Ed Rendell (now PA governor), who never met a tax he didn't like. He got in and our state income tax immediately went up.

Do you support the continued banditry of the Demopuke party against hardworking and productive citizens, in order to redistribute their wealth and buy votes from the Democratic base?

103 posted on 12/10/2004 9:57:45 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: rogerv

I do not use the word "liberal" to describe the thinking of people on the Left as a general rule. They are more aptly described as "statists" or even "totalitarians". On the various matters of constitutional rights and freedoms, those of us who agree with Our Founders are more appropriately described as "liberals" in that tradition. We recognize the inherent dignity of each individual as having been granted by God, our Creator, and we live and think accordingly.
Others have suggested that you may do well to perhaps go after your goal of understanding by taking things an issue at a time. That seems to be good advice if you are willing to set aside any pre-conceived notions and hold to a logical approach. Not just you, but all who are willing to learn, may just learn something.


104 posted on 12/10/2004 9:57:46 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: tiamat

Watching him carefully now......


105 posted on 12/10/2004 9:57:49 AM PST by international american (Generation Jones: "I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the free-throw line of life)
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To: elbucko

He has made a few responses so we are in a holding pattern.


106 posted on 12/10/2004 9:58:21 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Proud member of Generation Jones. Born Jan 15, 1954. I was not a hippy or a liberal.)
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To: rogerv

As long as you express you thoughts in a rational manner, there isn't a problem. If you come here to say Bush is Hitler, goodbye.


107 posted on 12/10/2004 9:58:23 AM PST by Always Right
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To: rogerv

I hate it when liberals and lurkers post and run.


108 posted on 12/10/2004 9:58:38 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: rogerv

A for using capital letters and paragraphs. C- for spelling and grammar. (So I'm a tough grader; sue me!)


109 posted on 12/10/2004 9:58:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: rogerv

It is not too late to seek forgiveness.


110 posted on 12/10/2004 9:58:52 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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To: rogerv

Here's some advice..................

The best way to spread Christmas cheer..........

Is singing loud for all to hear!

(From Elf, my new favorite Chrismas Movie)


111 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:18 AM PST by WhiteGuy (The Constitution requires no interpretation, only enforcement.)
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To: rogerv

Is this part of a 12 step recovery program recommended by your therapist? If so, which step is it?


112 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:21 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: trisham

Tsk, tsk trisham. Pre-mature kittenization is not nice.


113 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:27 AM PST by Shryke
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To: gimme1ibertee

Actually, I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes.


114 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:29 AM PST by rogerv
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bump


115 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:36 AM PST by fix
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To: Age of Reason
Work to end immigration because we're out of room.

We're out of room? When did that happen?

116 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:38 AM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: tiamat

Strange newbie..

If he really DOES believe in rule of law, then he should burn his Lib membership card.
Libs don't believe in rule of law.
They believe in majority mob opinion rule, and even then what they consider a 'majority' is five or six people in the room with them.
(For example: Kerry lost the election, and instead of accepting that they are not the majority opinion, the Libs instead claim we're all ignorant rednecks..)


117 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:41 AM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: shadowman99

roegerv has received many respectful, well thought out replies on this thread. Just wade through the others.


118 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:51 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: rogerv

Lesson #1: Don't post vanities.


119 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:52 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Howlin

Saw that. Made a few but is kind of slow. I'm gonna move on.


120 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:58 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Proud member of Generation Jones. Born Jan 15, 1954. I was not a hippy or a liberal.)
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