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To: gimme1ibertee

Actually, I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes.


114 posted on 12/10/2004 9:59:29 AM PST by rogerv
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To: rogerv

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126 posted on 12/10/2004 10:01:09 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Proud member of Generation Jones. Born Jan 15, 1954. I was not a hippy or a liberal.)
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To: rogerv

Ok....Welcome.Hope you are comfortable here.You will learn much,grasshopper...:)


130 posted on 12/10/2004 10:02:12 AM PST by gimme1ibertee (A liberal is a mental case is a liberal.)
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To: rogerv
We may not agree on a whole lot...but I commend you for your honesty, your rationality, and your willingness to discuss things in that vein.

Good luck. Wade through the one liner attack posts and don't respond in kind. IFrom first glance I believe you will not. If you continue like that, you'll find a lot of thoughtful discourse and dialogue here.

132 posted on 12/10/2004 10:02:47 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: rogerv
Actually, I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes.

And your question(s) are?

144 posted on 12/10/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: rogerv
...I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes.

Fire away with the questions. You'll find there are a number of very intelligent folks here willing to discuss/debate. Though I'm still pretty new here myself, I have found that we're actually quite tolerant (even encouraging?) of disagreement, as long as it doesn't descend into baseless progressive blather.

160 posted on 12/10/2004 10:09:18 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: rogerv
Actually, I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes.

Are you planning on giving us any responses that we can "compare?"

185 posted on 12/10/2004 10:14:26 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: rogerv

Well, I certainly admire your audacity in coming into the Lion's Den to chat with the lions. (Any kamakazes in your family tree?) Bear in mind some lions are more civil than others and you should have a good time and perhaps learn somethings around here - we might learn something, too.

I think that the liberalism most people around these parts detest is actually socialism. No body will argue for moment that we should provide our children the best possible education - most of the debate around here begins when schools are used as political indoctrination camps versus imparting the knowledge that makes a productive future citizen? There's nothing wrong with a social safety net - but, when it breeds a generation of people who make it a profession in and of itself, something has gone haywire? When society wants to pick my pocket to redistribute the fruits of my labors to folks too poorly prepared (the schools again?) or unmotivated to get off their duffs -- I have a problem with that - particularly the part where it is given as a handout, not preparation to get ahead in the world?

Excuses, slogans, and eyewash programs that only serve to employ legions of bureaucrats are not the answer - only treating a symptom and propagating the problem. This is the socialist utopia I fear some would saddle us with if left unchecked.

Perhaps we should begin by defining terms - are we talking about liberalism or socialism?


235 posted on 12/10/2004 10:26:29 AM PST by Barnstormer
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To: rogerv
"I haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes."

Well, if yer from a Blue State, lemme ask you a question. If you want a bigger and more intrusive government, why don't you accomplish that at the State level, and quit trying to impose an ever-expanding Federal Leviathan on those of us who agree with the US Constitution's limitations on Federal Government Power? Except for providing for the common defense of our Nation, we really don't need "one-size-fits-all" Federal solutions to the localized problems that confront us. Devolving power from the Federal Leviathan and back to the States, Localities, and Individuals will benefit all by giving different folks different options.

FReegards...MUD

371 posted on 12/10/2004 11:09:19 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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