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The Phoenicians Knew Something They Shouldn't Have [18:07]
YouTube ^ | August 20, 2026 | Michael Button | Patterns of History

Posted on 08/21/2026 9:11:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The Phoenicians had almost no land, no vast armies and no great empire. Yet they shaped the ancient world in ways that still affect us today. 

So what did they understand that everyone else missed? 
The Phoenicians Knew Something They Shouldn't Have | 18:07 
Michael Button | Patterns of History / Michael Button | 36,207 views | August 20, 2026
The Phoenicians Knew Something They Shouldn't Have | 18:07 | Michael Button | Patterns of History and Michael Button | 36,207 views | August 20, 2026

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; carthage; carthaginians; godsgravesglyphs; michaelbutton; phoenicians
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To: SunkenCiv

That is a great article, SC. Lots of interesting notions in ancient history that I had not thought of before. Thanks for posting it.


21 posted on 08/22/2026 6:00:15 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv

BTW, I just read your nicely formatted transcript as an article. I didn’t watch the video. Thanks for taking the time to take the transcript and clean it up into a readable bit of prose.


22 posted on 08/22/2026 6:03:49 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv

They were Canaanites, which no doubt included Danites.


23 posted on 08/22/2026 6:08:57 AM PDT by marron
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Thanks for the kind remarks! This vid probably originated due to current world events and how trade leads to greater prosperity and wealth.

24 posted on 08/22/2026 6:38:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: marron

25 posted on 08/22/2026 6:41:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Processed correctly, those drops become a purple dye of unusual durability … That made the color so expensive that wearing purple became roughly what owning a private jet is now. Kings wore it

Think above the brilliant colors of the clothing of wealthy men in paintings, or movies set before the middle of the 19th century. Brilliant colors derived from natural sources either faded rapidly, and had to be replaced, at a time when clothing was orders of magnitude more expensive than it is now, or it was worn faded. In either case, a man in brilliantly colored clothing was a clear marker of wealth.

Then the Germans invented the modern chemical industry, and developed artificial dies, at a time when industrial production techniques were reducing the price of clothing. Suddenly middle class men, and ambitious lower class men, were parading around like peacocks in bright colors, and in reaction wealthy men began dressing in black and gray, which, apart from the 1970s, they have continued to do so, for business attire at least.

26 posted on 08/22/2026 6:45:39 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

There were a number of sneaky typos in the transcript, while I was previewing it those were easier to notice. Often with the YT-generated transcript the same actual word (proper names, placenames, but pretty much anything under the Sun) will have at least two different spellings.


27 posted on 08/22/2026 6:47:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: Ken H

Wouldn’t that be α, β, γ ( Alpha, Beta, Gamma) or more precisely 𐤀 ,𐤁, 𐤂 ,(gīml, bēt, ʾālep)? (Of course, Phonecian, like Hebrew, is written right to left.)

ʾālep, OX

bēt, House

gīml Stick


28 posted on 08/22/2026 6:47:37 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ( Thorough planning and careful preparation is no substitute for wishful thinking. )
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To: Pilsner

Scarcity is often the primary factor in value. Imitation, fakery, and knockoffs are probably nothin’ new.

http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/lcolors.html


29 posted on 08/22/2026 6:49:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: poconopundit
Their ancestors stopped being mad as hell, and wound up not having to take it any more. Best part of ancient seagoing trade was, after the deal, you could make a quick getaway. I'd imagine they'd time their sales so the tide was about to be in their favor.

30 posted on 08/22/2026 6:54:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: InkStone

This is the first one I’ve seen of this guy’s vids that didn’t have any teeth-rattlin’ clickbait crap. I’ve got one cued up in another tab for later viewing... uh... clearly I have too many tabs open as usual... ah here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqwkN86utBU


31 posted on 08/22/2026 6:56:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv

excerpted from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(consort_of_Zeus)

The story of the mythical princess Europa. She is generally said to be the daughter of Agenor, the Phoenician King of Tyre.

The Dictionary of Classical Mythology explains that Zeus was enamoured with Europa and decided to seduce or rape her, the two being near-equivalent in Greek myth. He transformed himself into a tame white bull and mixed in with her father’s herds. While Europa and her helpers were gathering flowers, she saw the bull, caressed his flanks, and eventually got onto his back. Zeus took that opportunity and ran to the sea and swam, with her on his back, to the island of Crete.

[The myth of Europa may have been intended as an allegory of how European civilization was an offshoot from Phonecian, and explain the similarities in alphabets. It is interesting that the Catholic Priest and Astronomer Simon Marius named the Galilean moons of Jupiter after “consorts” of Jupiter.]


32 posted on 08/22/2026 7:02:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ( Thorough planning and careful preparation is no substitute for wishful thinking. )
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To: Pilsner

Interesting observation & insights. I never thought of that before. Thanks.

It’s like food. Long ago before large-scale agriculture and industrial food production, only the wealthy could afford to be fat. But with plentiful, cheap, high carb foods, the poorest of the poor could be fat, while the rich, with their spas, salons, trainers, chefs could afford to be thin.


33 posted on 08/22/2026 7:09:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv

I’d imagine they’d time their sales so the tide was about to be in their favor.

not tide, but current in their favor.


34 posted on 08/22/2026 7:37:48 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Thx. The practice of dreaming up an origin based on a word or word similarities seems someone common in ancient traditions.

Cadmus (transliteration of the Semitic Nikodamos; Greek Nikomedes) apparently had to run for it, or rather sail for it, when the Assyrians wandered in and sacked his city.

35 posted on 08/22/2026 8:02:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: poconopundit
“Wonder how high school teachers are explaining Ancient History. “

They don't. Much of the teaching profession are nut cases. Once the “hard” sciences were the things that were important.

Remember, science is not all of what makes a nation great.

Faith and knowledge have an important factor.

36 posted on 08/22/2026 8:05:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Ken H
🙂😊😁😀😃😆😅😂🤣

37 posted on 08/22/2026 8:25:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A strikingly large share of the world’s most advanced chips comes from one company, TSMC, on the island of Taiwan. Even though the wider supply chain spans several other countries, which is part of why great powers now watch Taiwan the way they once watched straits and canals. Or what about satellite constellations, cloud regions, payment rails where exclusion from a major financial messaging network can apply the same kind of pressure once delivered by blockades. And behind all of it, AI models with the data centers and the electricity they run on.

China putting out 'fight Data Centers' to their butt boys in the American press - the MSM - is the same as Hitler pushing propaganda though the New York Times expressing great concern for women factory women building munitions in World War II. Hitler's great 'concern' having more to do with advantage than giving a damn'... Why can't our 'journalists' see what's happening?

38 posted on 08/22/2026 9:34:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (WNBA: If a 30 year old man self identifies as a 10 year old should he be able to join Little League?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

That’s exactly the point I made at the time!


39 posted on 08/22/2026 10:39:29 AM PDT by Ken H (FReeper #240 - Dec 05, 1997.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What I would suspect is that being seamen and traders, they intermarried with the locals wherever they established themselves. The language though was canaanite, mutually intelligible with hebrew. Carthaginian was descended from “Phoenician” and had substantially diverged, meaning it would no longer have been mutually intelligible with hebrew. As I understand it.


40 posted on 08/22/2026 11:58:01 AM PDT by marron
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