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Posted on 06/28/2026 8:29:45 PM PDT by BereanBrain
Take a gander at this.
https://www.batterydesign.net/catl-and-lithium-air/?srsltid=AfmBOop457aWJd9wnPH7-OFVvhRw7euLp3IgEMGDq75Jq_Abrbn18VFx
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We see these types of reports of breakthroughs regularly. This one was honest enough to say outright that a commercial application is years away.
I am sure it will be fine for some people.
For a better summary just read this:
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMi1jb3B5_81b38346-0edf-4589-802c-9365cb0f92e8
Winner in the "Yeah, right" category: "Theoretical Energy Density: Up to 12,000 Wh/kg — roughly matching gasoline. This is a massive leap over today's best EV batteries (~250–350 Wh/kg)."
This will come on line about the same time as nuclear fusion. Quite a coincidence!..........
I have a game changing idea!!
Gas is so energy dense, let’s just use that!
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Uh, except you only get about 30-35% of the energy into the motive force of the car. Compared to >90% of an EV. That’s one reason. Second reason - it’s way cheaper - as in right now when i fill up my Mustang GT, i get about 340 Miles of range for ~45$ When i charge my Tesla Model Y long range, i get about 320 miles of range for < 8$.
You see, I have both and drive each every day. I speak from first hand experience. Dullards on this website call EVs glorified golf carts. Anybody that knows cars know that Tesla has held “fastest production car” title in the world for many years. My Modely Y LR (SINGLE MOTOR) is faster them my manual Mustang GT with the Coyote engine.
I don’t see myself buying another gas car.... Now imagine in 4-5 years that the range is 700-1000 miles. Once you get past about 500-600, you need to take a break from driving.
It is the fact that burns us that we were being forced down the road of having to buy them, and our tax dollars were being used to subsidize them.
Worst of all, they are being presented primarily as some kind of solution to the non-existent hoax of anthropogenic climate change which was like the Leftists poking their fingers in our collective eyes.
Like many, I decry the subsidies, and feel that EVs should rise or fall on the basis of their merit and who wishes to buy them in a Free Market. But if I am going to be forced to buy a car by government authorities, that is going to make me (and many others) point out the legitimate drawbacks of being forced by government to buy one instead of being able to make a economic decision that is right for me.
That said, I saw this beautiful aftermarket EV Mustang that, even though it had only a 200 mile range, was drop dead gorgeous to look at and would pin your bellybutton to your spine with the torque it could put out. I would buy one if I had plenty of money to burn, just to drive on Sundays. 
In the end, I like Musk. I like Teslas. I hate being forced by government to buy a vehicle I don't want and will resist that by all means available, including pointing out every drawback about the technology that I don't like and disregarding the things I might like such as the torque and acceleration.
Seems to me that if one could fully utilize the energy content of gasoline then Tesla would no longer hold the “fastest production car” title. Then again.... Shelby held that title long ago with the AC Cobra.
I won’t need a lithium-air battery, by then I’ll have a cold-fusion unit in my flying car.
Nuclear fusion is just 10 years away, and has been for the last 60 years...
CC
If they solve the range, cost and recharge time issues they still have one HUGE hurdle to get over: domestic generating capacity and infrastructure. If everybody has an electric car that is going to require a LOT more generating capacity. Capacity that will have to be built, and that takes many years to bring online. I’m not saying it can’t be done. But it would take something like decades to do it. And then the energy dedicated to gas refining would have to shift to providing fuels for the electrical plants. Unless we shifted to nuclear, which has its own set of issues. A lot would have to change for electric vehicles to have anything other than a niche following.
CC
Why not get rid of the GT and just drive the Model Y? Seems to me it would be cheaper than maintaining 2 cars...
I’d still never buy an EV if it was nuclear powered and never needed a charge...I like the sound of high powered gas engine.
I’d never get in a battery powered aircraft.
I might by an upgraded lithium flashlight but that’s about it.
That is the 800 lb. gorilla.
There is a YouTube Channel from an Australian engineer called "MGuy"
that I have been watching for a few years, and he is militantly anti-EV. He has dozens of videos, and while his information delivery is reading from his written script and verbatim from clips of news, it is the way he puts it together that is valuable and informative.
Here are a few of his videos that discuss this issue you highlighted in particular, the need for infrastructure:
Granted, his handle "MGuy" is derivative of his apparent attraction to MG sports cars, and from the perspective of someone who owned one myself for many years, I find it humorous that any sane engineer would enjoy them due to their...er..."reliability" and engineering, but I think is is the style he likes, not the engineering!
That said, these videos concentrate on the infrastructure issues which everyone just paves right over and rarely mention except in the inane "If you build it, they will come" which would be worded in this case as "If you build EVs, the Infrastructure will come"....which is as you infer-wishful thinking.
I fully appreciate the concept of Electric Vehicles (EV) and the things that go along with that concept, the torque, acceleration, quietness, and even the concept that they may be mechanically simpler.
But I do not ignore the concepts that are problematic such as infrastructure, power generation and availability, long charging sessions, unavailability of charging facilities to apartment dwellers and motel patrons, degradation of charge intervals due to weather demands that encompass extremes of both hot and cold that affect battery usage with heaters or air conditioners, battery damage in accidents, costs of battery replacement, weight issues, tire wear, ground clearance, and fire risks with the attendant risks to firefighters, people, and buildings which will eventually result in higher insurance costs.
But most of all, I intensely oppose having Electric Vehicles imposed upon me under the false pretenses that they are better for the environment (they aren't), that they are more economic (they aren't) and that they combat anthropogenic climate change (that is a hoax that doesn't need combatting), the last one being the most egregiously grating on my conservative values.
I personally dislike (intensely) the anxiety of finding a charging station when you are low and need one. I dislike the forethought and planning that you need to employ to avoid that as much as possible, including all the applications that are built in to tell you where the charging stations near you are.
I lived during the gas crises of the 1970’s, and I hated that with a white-hot burning passion. I almost ran out of gas in my little MG Midget with all my worldly belongings stuffed into it on the Cross-Bronx Expressway in New York where there were burnt out husks of cars on cinderblocks that I passed.
I don’t like the prospect of pulling into a charging station area to find they are all in use and a line has formed.
I don’t like the possibility of barely making it to a charging station only to find they are inoperable because thieves have cut the cables for the copper in them or they are simply broken...or there is a power issue where the region is at peak use and experiencing throttled levels or brown-outs.
They may eventually get batteries that can charge anywhere you can plug in, and do it in two minutes. But we aren’t there now, and won’t be before I die.
Yeah, and I'm still waiting for my nuclear fusion powered Back to the Future car as well. I'm 76; I doubt I'll ever see one.
You mistake University for CATL, make that mistake at your own peril.
When CATL says something they mean it. They are the largest and dominate by far battery maker on this whole planet period full stop. They have factories larger in area than the whole city of San Francisco read that again to grasp the scale of their ops. They have the multiple trillion dollar backing of the full weight of the Chinese government and monetary system which for all practical purposes is unlimited funding what they want to research and more importantly produce they have the funding to do so with zero limits. They take something from press releases to mass production on a global scale in 6-10 years and that timeline is compressing with AI and their massive scale sodium ion batteries took 6 years , condensed semi solids 3 the trend is clear.
They said lithium air is their direction they will have them in production in a few years time they already have workings units at 10% of the theoretical capacity it’s now how to get that over 50% or more before they mass produce them.
It’s when not if anymore that’s how CATL works proven time and time again. They are like Yoda do or do not there is no try. When they do they do.
“Theoretical Energy Density: Up to 12,000 Wh/kg — roughly matching gasoline. This is a massive leap over today’s best EV batteries (~250–350 Wh/kg).””
No you are comparing first law vs second law thermodynamics.
While the raw energy density is the same per kg of mass the outputs of energy from the systems are not.
Electric motors turn 98% of electron flow into physical torque and there for work by definition.
Internal combustion beings a first law machine must obey Carnot and can never turn more than 70% of the same energy density per kg into at the crankshaft torque. Given the temps that are achievable with combustion in a 80/20 mix of N2 and O2 this does not include what steel or even ceramics could survive you would instantly melt both at such temps. The very best ICE in a motor vehicle in hybrids from China I might add are in the 45% LHV to torque range.
So it’s 45% max vs 95-98% first law vs second law, this means on a per kg basis electrons win two to one.
So no while they match in bulk density they do not match in useable energy output to the wheels not even close. That’s how physics works.
This doesn’t include that EV don’t have hydraulic automatic transmissions eating even more of that engine torque on the way to the wheels. Electric motors have max torque at zero rpm they don’t need a hydraulic torque converter to moves vehicle and they don’t need to idle against a slipping fluid clutch that is just turning torque and therefore fuel into useless heat waste.
Welcome to the 21st century boomers it’s gonna be LIT.
“They may eventually get batteries that can charge anywhere you can plug in, and do it in two minutes. But we aren’t there now, and won’t be before I die.”
Sigh,
China has been kicking butts and taking names again CATL these are not lab toys they are production items. The USA just banned them here. At least until Gavin or AOC sits in the WH.
Oh and the GBT standard already in China is rated at 1 megawatt so yeah you can charge in 3 min and 40 seconds no one cares about the time if it’s under 5 min total.
Here is what you are not allowed to have.
10% to 35%: 1 minute
10% to 80%: 3 minutes 44 seconds
10% to 98%: 6 minutes 27 seconds
At -30°C to 98%: 9 minutes
“After 1,000 ultra-fast charging cycles, the battery maintains a State of Health (SoH) above 90%”
Real EV owners charge 10-80% that’s the window for daily use and where you get thousands of cycles as in over half million miles for a 300+ mile pack size. Industry standard is SOH 80% not 90 so 2000 cycles is 600,000 miles in a 300 mile pack. This pack is in a 1000km range vehicle so 1000 cycles is 1,000,000km with 90%SOH IF that could be sold here it would rightfully bloodbath the American auto cabal. Do better big 3.
Notice the -30C that colder than almost 99% of CONUS and it only adds 3 min to 6 for a 98% the 10-80 is still under 4 min it won’t matter for real people.
Don’t get all butthurt the GOP is setting up a massive pendulum swing in both the midterms and 28’ that’s on them the reality is the next Dem POTUS removes all the silly tariffs messing up the stock market and isolating the USA from our neighbors Canada and Mexico. Live in reality it’s when not if.
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