Posted on 05/07/2026 6:33:48 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Two articles from the New York Times in the past couple of days describe the widening divergence between the approaches taken by the U.S. and China on the subject of wind energy. I apologize that these pieces are behind the Times’s paywall, but remember that I subscribe there so that you don’t have to.
On Monday (May 4) the article was about the status of wind energy development in the U.S., with the headline “More Than 150 Wind Projects Stall as Pentagon Delays Reviews.” Tuesday’s (May 5) piece covered the same subject in China, headline “China’s Big Bet on Wind Power Is Paying Off.”
These articles once again illustrate the extent to which the U.S. and its people are uniquely blessed in the world. Our biggest blessing is that we have been bequeathed by our forebears with the freest economy in the world, and with structural obstacles that make it very difficult for politicians to undo that. But almost as big a blessing is the total incompetence of our geo-political adversaries.
The May 4 piece about the U.S. reports on the latest gambit by the Trump administration to shut down wind power development. The asserted basis is national security, and particularly the alleged interference of wind turbines with military radars and flight paths. Excerpt:
The Trump administration is blocking more than 150 onshore wind farms across the United States by delaying military reviews that were once considered routine, according to a leading industry trade group. . . . [T]he administration has held up a large number of onshore wind projects under development on private land, citing national security concerns. These wind farms typically have to undergo a review by the Pentagon before being built to ensure that their turbines won’t interfere with military radar or flight paths. In the past, those reviews have been fairly straightforward, but they have ground to a halt in recent weeks, and the Pentagon has canceled some meetings with developers. “The Department of War is currently making it almost impossible to build a new wind project in the United States,” said Jason Grumet, chief executive of the American Clean Power Association, which represents renewable energy companies.
I do not know the extent to which the asserted basis for restricting wind power development is real versus pretextual. On the other hand, I would not be surprised at all to learn that wind turbines have at least some negative effects on military radars and flight paths. And evaluation of the extent of a real national security concern is something uniquely within the President’s responsiblities, with the courts having little power to second guess. Meanwhile, these 100+ wind turbine projects, if they have been undertaken in time to qualify for tax credits that have now been terminated for newer projects, have the potential to cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars over the next couple of decades, for nothing of any value. The administration has done us all a huge favor by preventing these projects from proceeding.
Needless to say, the Times, and Mr. Grumet of the ACPA, don’t see it that way:
The stalled projects together would have about 30 gigawatts of electric generating capacity if they were built, Mr. Grumet said. One gigawatt can provide enough electricity for more than 300,000 homes, although wind turbines can’t produce power at all hours.
Somehow the Times and Mr. Grumet don’t see it as a significant problem that wind turbines only work about 30-35% of the time. You may have a different view as to your own home or business.
Then we come to yesterday’s piece about how China’s big bet on wind power is, supposedly, “paying off.” How do we know that? Excerpt:
Across China, hilltops are dotted with wind turbines, and long rows of them span many miles in western deserts. Ultrahigh-voltage power lines carry electricity thousands of miles to the energy-hungry factories along China’s coast. Last year, China installed three times as much wind power capacity as the rest of the world combined, even as its turbine exports jumped. The global industry’s center of gravity has shifted decisively: All of the world’s six largest wind turbine manufacturers are Chinese, displacing once-dominant European firms and companies like General Electric. The war has made China’s investments in wind look prescient. Its Asian neighbors, long reliant on Middle Eastern oil and gas, are struggling to secure fuel supplies. Meanwhile, China, with its massive reserves and modern electric grid, is better positioned to weather the energy crisis.
OK, they have wind turbines all over the place. There are several pictures accompanying the article depicting huge and hideous wind farms in China. Here is one of them:
But how do you know that these wind farms are “paying off”? Sorry, but there is no such thing as “massive reserves” of wind power. The wind blows when it feels like blowing.
So are all these wind turbines creating wealth or destroying it? In a market economy like ours, you get the answer to that question from profitability. If a project makes a profit after paying for factor inputs at prices determined by markets, then you have an excellent indication that the project is creating wealth. If the project loses money or requires subsidies to get built or to continue to operate, then you know that it is destroying wealth. So, how about the China wind projects? From the Times:
An industrial policy of subsidies and import restrictions laid the foundations for China to become almost as dominant in wind turbines as in solar panels. . . . Chinese manufacturers, led by Envision Energy, are also gaining ground in India. Buoyed by tax incentives and government support, the country vies with the United States as the world’s second-largest wind market, after China. . . . China’s state-owned banks keep the renminbi weak against the euro, making Chinese wind turbines less expensive abroad.
So the industry has grown massive based on “tax incentives,” “government support” [i.e., subsidies], “import restrictions,” and currency manipulation. In other words, they have no way to measure whether they are creating or destroying wealth. However, since the “incentives” and subsidies are apparently necessary for the industry to survive, the odds that the industry is creating wealth are nil.
This article does not mention anything about China’s parallel and massive expansion of its coal power plant fleet over the past two decades, nor does it consider the question of why all those coal power plants are needed even though all this wind power capacity has been built. China is building two full overlapping and duplicative electricity generation systems, one of which works all the time and the other of which does not. Somebody has to pay for both of them. You can hide who’s paying be concealing the cost in subsidies and tax incentives, but that does not change the fact that somebody is paying. So how does this add up to the wind turbines “paying off”?
The article does provide the answer to why China might be spending billions on this uneconomic endeavor. Xi wants it!
“Energy is a strategic issue in development — our pioneering development of wind power and solar technology has proved to be forward-looking,” Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, said in late March. . . . In a speech in July, Mr. Xi urged China to “promote the orderly and well-regulated expansion of offshore wind power.”
It looks like Xi is no better at doing basic arithmetic or physics than the morons who are in charge of climate policy here in New York. And in China, nobody dares to speak up and contradict Xi, no matter how obviously wrong he may be.
As I said, the U.S. is blessed by the total incompetence of its geo-political adversaries.
The article takes note of the fact that nobody in China is pushing back against the wind power expansion, despite obvious downsides:
The push has faced little public resistance because of strong government backing. Even though local residents complain, they have little power to stop projects from moving forward. “The noise from these turbines is quite loud,” said Wang Cuifen, who lives on a small farm outside Yancheng, near the base of towering turbines in a tidal zone. “They run nonstop from around 4 p.m. to 4 a.m., and it affects our rest.”
There’s nothing like a government that has no need to respond to complaints from the population. In the view of the New York Times, this is a good thing.
So, dear readers, you can place your bets on whether it is the U.S. or China that is making the right bet on the future of wind energy. My bet is that within about a decade, China will be taking multi hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions of dollars, of write-offs on its wind energy investments. Or, given that this is China and no loss of face for the leaders is ever allowed, it will be propping the industry up with ever increasing subsidies as its economy gets eaten away from within.
Yes, carbon dioxide does stimulate crops. It also stimulates wildfire fuel between 20 and 60% depending upon the species. There is a hidden cost to anything and vegetative growth is a risk to be mitigated in a free market. That's just how things are.
You're right, the public should be jumping up and down for micro-nukes.
Click for some info on wind power in the USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States
It did not say anything about bats though. They are flying around at night, so they don't see anything when they get whacked by the big fiberglass blade.
Didn’t the NYT publish a lot of Soviet Communist propaganda back in the 1930s and 1940s?
Don’t they love China now?
You and I are simpatico on this.
Until Donald Trump entered the room, we had been subject to extortion and pressure by the oil producing countries.
Donald Trump changed that and turned us into a net energy exporter, and when the SMR revolution takes place, this will open up wide vistas of prosperity for our nation.
You are so right. We could always sell them our coal. We got 400 years of it.
Manhattan Contrarian may have missed how windmills could work better in China than the US. US workers are on the clock. If there is no wind power on their shift, they would still get paid and go home on time. But if you use slave labor, they can’t go home and will work when told to work.
That’s interesting.
I fully admit, I don’t know (and honestly, never cared to dig into it) the extent of bird strikes beyond that it happens.
But I fully embraced the bird strike issue as a cudgel to use against Leftist Environazis who support wind power AND wildlife preservation.
It always was an entertaining and pointed way to place them on the horns of a dilemma that was unresolvable for them, and I rather enjoyed seeing them squirm!
Does that make me a bad person????
I wouldn’t think China would be installing them IF they didn’t actually provide power in an economically feasible way.
The article does provide the answer to why China might be spending billions on this uneconomic endeavor. Xi wants it!
“Energy is a strategic issue in development — our pioneering development of wind power and solar technology has proved to be forward-looking,” Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, said in late March. . . . In a speech in July, Mr. Xi urged China to “promote the orderly and well-regulated expansion of offshore wind power.”
It looks like Xi is no better at doing basic arithmetic or physics than the morons who are in charge of climate policy here in New York. And in China, nobody dares to speak up and contradict Xi, no matter how obviously wrong he may be.
It did not say anything about bats though. They are flying around at night, so they don’t see anything when they get whacked by the big fiberglass blade.
Exactly! To be fair, I do believe that Communist China DOES have exploitable coal reserves, but as I stated in the post just above, I rather enjoy seeing the environazis hoisted on their own stinking petards!
And Communist China has particularly irritated me in this respect.
They are probably one of the BIGGEST polluters of all kinds in the world, and they go in front of cameras, and piously, with completely hurt and straight faces, denounc the United States because it not living up to its “environmental obligations”!
You could imagine the CCP officials off-camera at the filming of these CCP spokesmen castigating the USA, all with wide grins, nodding to each other about this open hypocrisy on their part that we had no guts to point out, all done in an atmosphere of great mirth!
Until Donald Trump came along.
What may make China’s wind energy work is very cheap power storage.
It is not available today, but might be available 10-20 years from now, maybe sooner.
There is a tremendous amount of research into better, cheaper, electrical power storage systems.
I think micro nuclear power plants are the much better solution.
The market is fixed by the profiteers. Just like on the BulletTrain here in CaCaLand. Voters voted it down, but judges ruled that citizens’ votes mean nothing since only legislature makes the laws.
So, we have massive scams that profit realtors and politicos — who skim the $$. No free market can exist if any gov’mt aspect is involved.
No, it makes them into HYPOCRITES. Which 90% of liberals really are. I personally like to bring up the babies born with birth defects in the Congo. So that they can have Cobalt in their EV battery.
Also, like when the whales started breaching along the NJ coast after the new wind farm was built off shore. Maybe it was just a coincidence. However, some scientists thought the vibrations from the turbines were screwing up the whales sonar or brains.
Just like there are people who say the constant thump, thump, thump from a wind turbine gives them issues if they live near these things.
About fifteen/twenty years back I invested in Vestas Wind Systems stock. They were the largest producer of turbines back then. They are a Denmark corporation. All the predictions were that the amount of turbines to be built in the world was going to increase ten fold. I doubled my investment and then sold the stock after a year or two. The issue was more of the Euro currency up against the dollar. So, that cut into the margin on the stock trade.
I also have a cousin in WNY who has a couple of these turbines on his former family dairy farm. He gets paid a lease. I asked him what happens to the tons of concrete in the ground? He said it will be there forever. He also has two natural gas wells on his farm. He has free gas forever.
As far as bird strikes I do not know any more than we all read on the internet. It seems that the government looks the other way when it comes to these turbines. Like they do with the solar farms burning up birds. Where as if any other corporation killed an Eagle it would be shut down immediately.
Interesting, Xi gets what Xi wants.
That one child policy is working out pretty well! (NOT)
“…I would not be surprised at all to learn that wind turbines have at least some negative effects on military radars and flight paths.”
I don’t know about military radars but I do know they can be detected on weather radar.
Climate change bad.
Changing regional climate patterns with these monstrosities good
On the big island of Hawaii they send crews out to maintain the hulking windmills to keep up appearances. They aren’t connected to the grid, they leak oil, but they keep them spinning just for show.
On Oahu they put those ugly things along the north shore right by the beach. But my buddy in Kailua can’t even install out door garden lights at his beach house because animals or something.
I guess maybe someone can invent a way to use old blades for construction. Buildings, warehouses, homes... maybe. You can’t recycle that stuff.
Years ago I read an article in teh Wall Street Journal written by a famous wealthy investor. Not Buffet but I forget who it was.
He was asked to invest in a massive wind farm miles offshore. He said that the ROI looked pretty good and he was ready to sign the contract but at the last minutes asked his people to analyze ROI WITHOUT government subsidies.
The ROI became nonexistent and he didn’t invest.
I also used to work with a solar cell manufacturer in Michigan as a vendor. They grew like crazy until a couple euroean countries decided to cancel their subsidies. Belly up not long after that.
Interesting. China was never a country for the longest time. It was run by gangs and warlords whose loyalty changed often. Now that it’s ‘united’ it has to keep everyone in line weather it’s Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong and more than a few others-Hong Kong. Add to that the better life in Taiwan they’re missing out on.
They have internal as well as external dissidents so they’ll always be on the lookout for more threats. Their consulate in SF has demonstrations out front from time to time. Stepping on toes is the only way for them.
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