Posted on 10/24/2025 8:37:18 PM PDT by Red Badger
Chery Automobile, a Chinese automaker, recently released a prototype solid-state battery that offers double the energy density of current EV batteries.
Here’s what you’ll learn when you read this story.
* Solid-state batteries are the next quantum leap for EVs, unlocking more range, performance, and longevity.
* Chery Automobile’s prototype battery module boasts a 600 Wh/Kg energy density—double the energy density of most current EV batteries.
* Chery’s new battery is also puncture-resistant, significantly reducing the risk of fire should any of the cells be damaged.
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Energy density is the latest hot pursuit for unlocking more range and performance in electric vehicles. Measured in Watt Hours per Kilogram (Wh/Kg), energy density is effectively just the power-to-weight ratio of a battery system. Chery Automobile is one of many Chinese EV manufacturers leading the solid-state charge, no pun intended, recently unveiling its new prototype battery with an energy density of 600 Wh/Kg—double the energy density of most current EV batteries. For context, the nickel-cobalt-aluminum batteries, often found in Tesla’s Long-Range and Performance models, have a 200-260 Wh/Kg energy density.
Increased energy density equals more available range and performance.
Thankfully, solid-state batteries offer several advantages over traditional liquid-electrolyte batteries beyond just energy density. Critically, solid-state batteries bring significantly less fire risk as a solid electrolyte (the medium that enables a battery to charge and discharge) isn’t flammable. This new battery architecture also offers increased thermal stability, lowering the chances of thermal runaway—a process that ends with the battery bursting into flames. Last but not least, solid electrolytes will also allow the batteries of the future to be formed into much more complex shapes.
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According to a number of Chinese news sites, the new battery could offer 1,300 kilometers (807.7 miles) of real-world driving range. For context, the Lucid Air Grand Touring is the current range king, able to do over 500 miles on a single charge. Regardless, solid-state batteries will also allow for faster charge times—four to six times faster in some cases. Plain and simple, solid electrolytes provide a safer and more stable environment for lithium ions to move through, enabling faster charging. The keen among you will know that solid-state battery advantages span much further than just charging, discharging, and durability.
Reports show Chery’s battery running flawlessly through a nail penetration test, also shaking off damage from a power drill without catching fire or producing any mystery smoke. However, even with a promising proof of concept, there’s still some assembly required before we’ll see these battery packs in production vehicles. Car News China reports that Chery plans to launch a pilot program in 2026, followed by a large-scale rollout in 2027. Should everything go smoothly, Chery could potentially jump major Chinese competitors like BYD and CATL to large-scale solid-state battery production. That would be tremendous, but we should clarify that this is far from a three-horse race.
What Does The Competition Look Like?
Toyota is another major player in the solid-state battery game. While smaller companies like Chery Automobile are moving fast and iterating on prototypes, Toyota is leading the way in patent activity; as it stands, the Japanese automaker has 1,700 patents related to solid-state battery tech, with over 1,500 of them active. Despite the brand’s current diversified approach to electrification, nailing solid-state batteries on the first try could make Toyota a major EV superpower—able to compete with the rock-solid competition coming from China.
Solid State Batteries Are The Future of EVs
Toyota recently announced a strategic partnership with Idemitsu Kosan, a Japanese energy company that can assist them with rolling out solid-state batteries as soon as 2027. Chery Automobile’s prototype currently boasts the highest energy density, but it remains to be seen how the brand plans to integrate the technology into a production vehicle.
How Did We Get Solid-State Batteries to Work Properly?
Engineers faced considerable challenges getting solid-state batteries to work. Like any cutting-edge technology, development is a long and expensive process, with solid-state batteries costing up to 2.8 times more than a legacy liquid-electrolyte lithium-ion pack. The extra expense comes mostly from the sulfide materials these new batteries need under the skin and low production yields.
Like many engineering challenges, the payoff from the number crunching needed to get these batteries to behave will be well worth the effort; once dialed in, the batteries of the future will offer more range and better longevity while being considerably less incendiary than their legacy lithium counterparts.
That was taken care of several decades ago. The Chinese eat very well indeed. They also have something we don't have: variety.
I’ve noticed that people usually don’t listen to or follow instructions. Particularly true of Americans.
In my case that's a situation of a limit on converting DC power to AC power. But it's an example of capacity limitation similar to the grid. Even if we add more power production (i.e. coal or natural gas or nuclear fueled power plants) there's still very much the issue of increasing the capacity of transmitting the power to homes and businesses. And then increasing each home's electrical system to handle it.
My house was built in 1998 and has 200 Amp service.
Does it also burn twice as hot and blow up with twice the energy?
I wonder if people have been electrocuted in the US from charging station accidents?
Some underestimate China.
- Government directed, everyone falls in line
- Government subsidized
- Cheap labor
- Stolen IP
- Lax regulatory environments enable fast movement
- Stronghold on many materials
- Without legacy infrastructure slowing things down
They are moving fast. That said, there is loads of propaganda too.
Everyone is looking for solid-state solution. More density could also be used for faster charging, you just don’t wait for a full charge. Elon explained it well - these batteries are like a parking lot. The first vehicles (electrons) easily find a spot to park in, as more and more arrive, the search for open spaces takes longer. I’m no battery engineer but this aligns with all lithium-ion batteries (cars/phones) I’ve worked on. If I can get a 400 mile charge in 5min...I’m good.
It is inevitable - although it’s laughable to claim that “energy density” is only now a “hot trend”...it’s always been the goal.
I was noticing this from the article:
“solid-state batteries will also allow for faster charge times—four to six times faster in some cases.”
So throw out whatever you know about charging currents and times. Because we will now be talking about 4-6 times more current for charging these new batteries from the grid.
UL approved?
With my gas-powered truck, I can get 800 miles with two 15-minute sessions at a gas pump that include time for a restroom break and getting my coffee cup recharged. That 800-mile range in the ICE vehicle is not greatly affected by temperature nor decreased by the use of accessories, some of which are necessary like running the defroster, wipers, etc. and some that are not necessarily required but pretty important IMO like running the heater or AC and entertainment systems.
Early on Chery stole a vehicle engineering design from the Korean company Daewoo, which had been bought by General Motors. GM sued Chery for intellectual property theft. Chery claimed they had a license from Daewoo for the designs from before GM bought Daewoo. But nobody has ever produced a copy of that license agreement.
In spite of that obvious CCP led intellectual property theft, GM continues a large business partnership with China’s largest state owned vehicle manufacturer - SAIC.
Some of America’s largest companies have sold the country out.
All the hoop-la???
A 7 pound battery of this type holds 6000 BTU of thermal energy while a 7 pound gallon of diesel fuel has 138,000.
Weight affects fuel milage. Wonder why we never see any costs per mile or ton miles per energy dollar trucking comparative figures on this tingle leg stuff.?
“How long does it take to recharge it”
what do you do at night while you sleep? My Teslas charge in the steel building in less time than it takes me to sleep. Most of the time in an hour or two why? Because to put back in the 30 ish miles I used for the day off a 50 amp plug is less than an hour.
My Model 3 LR has a 375 mile range that’s three round trips to Ft. Worth and back with range to spare or 8 round trip to downtown Dallas and back. But why it takes 20 seconds to plug it to the wall when I exit the vehicle and let it so it’s thing. I know I know but not what if you don’t own a home and have a plug. Well given that the 96% of all daily drives total are under 30 miles that means once every ten days find supercharger. The average person goes more than 300 miles from home twice per year for such low use fringe cases rent a vehicle and save the depreciation on your POV. I rent unlimited miles for $180 or less a week specifically to put 1800+ miles in that week on someone else’s depreciating asset.
I had not owned a vehicle that would go more than 250 miles on a tank until 2018 every single one before that was less than 250 per tank. My first was my Volvo S60 that would go 420 on a 17.5 gallon tank and that was with less than 1 gal left. Usually the fuel light would pop on at 350 or so.
800 miles is so far above what the typical person would drive in one sitting. Are there edge cases sure the uber driver who drives 400 miles per day which is a 12 hour shift averaging 34 mph. That’s what is the be expected in suburban and urban use. My trip A odo has 8700 miles on it and the avg mph is 33 mph over that many miles of DFW suburban, urban and motorway use. This means even a uber driver could go two days between charging the avg suburbanites who drive 30 or less miles per day need a charge once every 26 days. It’s in your head about charging time 100% someone who doesn’t own or know anything about how it really works. A Model 3 would need a 160kWh pack to go 800 miles, at the nornal V3 supercharger rate of 250kw it would take 38 min to go from 0-100% solid state packs will take full 2-5C rates 250la in a 160kWh pack is 1.5C normal LFP cells will do that today.
So you would need to find a supercharger once every 26 days for 38 min and this is somehow a issue GTFO with that nonsense. If you have a L2 240V at home you don’t even need that take the 20 seconds and plug it in is plugging in a hair dryer hard? It’s that simple. The rest of the world is not on an archaic 120v240v split phase. China and the EU have 400v triple phase to the curb or condo/apartment decks and also individual homes. 440V/3P can put in 160kwh in one hour with 144 amps per phase or more typical 50 amps per phase in 2.8 hours again people sleep for 8.
I would like to have a solid state pack that’s 80 miles double the avg suburbanite distance with a small 2cyl 50kw GDI high compression Miller cycle at 45% BSFC running on anything liquid from petrol to any alcohol to LPG or.CNG 14:1 comp 18:1 expansion running at a single speed it’s peak brake specific fuel efficiency point directly into the BMS in a 5 passenger sedan that would return 100 mpg on E10. China has exactly this the BYD Qi returns 2.2L/100km driven by journalists in the real world over a 1300 mile drive that’s 108 mpg for thuse who are not numerate. 80 miles off the plug then 1200+ more out of the small fuel tank if you need it 99% of all drives are under 80 miles it’s edge cases that are not. You do not design for edge cases that’s shitty engineering.
Pepsi has the answers you seek.
“Tesla Semi cost per mile for PepsiCo is about 13 to 23 cents, based on their average efficiency of 1.7 kWh per mile and a specific electricity rate. This is significantly lower than the estimated 44.7 cents per mile for diesel trucks, with a primary savings coming from lower fuel costs. PepsiCo reports an average efficiency of 1.7 kWh per mile, and a source suggests that with an electricity cost of about $0.135/kWh, the fuel cost is approximately 23 cents per mile. Other estimates put the cost even lower, at around 13 cents per mile, based on a cheaper rate of $0.0832/kWh. “
https://www.electrive.com/2023/08/15/pepsico-cites-consumption-of-1-1-kwh-km-for-tesla-semi/
Diesel is expensive, electrons are not and this was calculated with retail rates , corporate rates in Texas are 5 cents per kWh today I just looked at them for the ERCOT grid.
Pepsi has been running full 82,000lb loads soda is mostly water so it’s dense not like Frito lay who also is using Tesla Semi they volume out before they mass out due to bags of chips being mostly air. Polar opposite to cans and two liters being all water. Water is one tonnes per square meter you max out the USA limits with single deck pallets of soda easy. A 53’ trailer has 40 square meters of floor space that’s 40 tonnes worth of soda on pallets 1.5 meters high. Trailer tare is 15,000lbs and the semi is 27,000-25000 right at the 82,000# limit for non permit loads. Yeah I hold a CDL B, P endorsement, M endorsement as well. Have since university used to drive motor coaches full of undergraduates to the rocks as a geo professor. Now I need it for my TV or to tow 10,000+ lbs like a fifth wheel.
So there is the answer you seek. PepsiCo has released a number of reports look for them.
“The Chinese eat very well indeed. They also have something we don’t have: variety.”
I do not think that is the common conception in most places. If the chinks have plenty of food then that is because of population control - fewer mouths to feed means the remaining mouths get more. Besides who wants to eat fish bites and rice three times a day. Oh yeah - variety: rice for breakfast, fish for lunch, and both for supper.
The common conception is in error. I have traveled about China.
One of these might see production, which is needed, and unless/before Divine judgment devastates the West, which will come, I foresee being able to build your own EV (presuming one of the monthly "battery breakthroughs" actually provides the needed breakthrough) using a compatibility site like https://pcpartpicker.com/list. But for now, I will add your latest report to the incomplete list of Battery Breakthroughs that never seem to be heard of later:
A sustainable battery with a biodegradable electrolyte made from crab shells https://www.eurekalert.org/ ^ | 1-SEP-2022 |
More Range from Nickel-Rich Electric Vehicle Batteries cleantechnica.com ^ | Dec 21, 2023 | By Oliver Peckham, PNNL
Elon Musk Announces Tesla's NEW Aluminum-ion Super Battery with 15-min Charging www.youtube.com ^ | November 23, 2024
Silver set to soar on Samsung’s solid-state battery breakthrough – analysts Kitco news ^ | 8/19/24 | Jordan Finneseth
The Secret to Unlimited Energy Is in a Coin-Sized Battery—And China Is Already Producing It Popular Mechanics ^ | March 25, 2025 | Darren Orf Posted on 3/25/2025,
Fully Charged in Just 12 Minutes! Korean Scientists Develop Next-Gen Lithium–Sulfur Battery Scitech Daily ^ | January 09, 2025 | Daegu Gyeongbuk Institute of Science and Technology (DGIST)
How CATL Made Batteries 90% Cheaper (And What Happens Next) [14:19] YouTube ^ | August 12, 2025 | Undecided with Matt Ferrell What if I told you the world's largest battery company just announced batteries that cost as low as $10 per kilowatt hour? Not $100. Ten. And the kicker? They're using salt.
New tech gives batteries over 12,000 charges without losing power Earth.Com ^ | October 24, 2025 | Jordan Joseph Posted on 10/24/2025, 3:57:18 PM by Red Badger
BYD's 5-Minute EV Fast Charging: We Tried It. It's A Game-Changer Inside EVs ^ | May 07, 2025 | Staff Posted on 5/11/2025, 11:12:19 AM by Red Badger
Solid lithium-air battery hits 4x energy, breaks room-temperature performance barrier Interesting Engineering ^ Posted on 6/11/2025, 1:36:23 PM by Red Badger
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“Silver set to soar on Samsung’s solid-state battery breakthrough – analysts Kitco news ^ | 8/19/24 | Jordan Finneseth”
So THAT explains the sudden rise in silver!.....................
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