Posted on 02/18/2025 6:13:51 AM PST by lowbridge
BREAKING: New clearest footage showing the crash moment of Delta Air Lines plane at Toronto Airport. All passengers survived
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Spokesman just said crosswinds were not present.
An acute loss of headwind and wind shear can result in the sudden loss of altitude and at the height the plane was, dropping to the pavement may have sheared off the landing gear. Wind shear result in sudden loss of altitude and on short final happens too low to be recoverable. Recall Delta 191 at DFW years ago.
Spokesman just said crosswinds were not present.
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Like I said, I am not expert. I’ll take a wait and see..
I would also bet that “flap placement” decisions will come into play. Maybe the pilot wanted less flap to get down faster and lost lift as a result.
I wasn’t implicating them or indicting anyone. By ‘suspect’ I imply speculation.
I know that the pilots might take it personal if they came here and read such speculations, but I find that extremely unlikely to happen.
They did seem to be coming in fast though, so if your theory of windsheer or microburst would beg one to ask why the increased speed didn’t help them keep more lift.
Nice attempt at a three point landing!
Will we ever know who the pilots were?
Thank God for all of the snow/snow banks. 🙏🏻
Remember to keep your seat belt on until the plane comes to a complete stop.
The landing didn’t look that unusual.
I thought it looked a landing gear failure was probably the cause because the weather didn’t seem to be a problem.
Same here. Takes a few times of stopping to get it right.
I'm not a pilot but they had one an TV and he thought the plane came in MUCH too SLOW for the amount of crosswind they had.
Yeah, that seems to happen when planes flip. Saw a video of a couple of years ago where a prop plane flipped. Once one wing ..... “detaches” the other one just does what wings do — it elevates in the air and flips the plane over. Inevitable.
Also what saved lives was that everyone was strapped in. Not like mid-air crappola where most are not .
At this point it looks like the possibilities are 1. Too slow/too fast, 2. No flare, 3. Insufficient flaps, 4. Wind shear. That ought to narrow it down!
I suspect they were aware of the gusting wind and as a result were carrying excessive speed as is protocol. I add 10 knots when landing with gusting winds and in this case the wind was reported (so they have said) at 270 degrees at 38 gusting to 38 and the runway was 23 which gave them some cross wind as well.
Main gear down but not locked?
look closely as the camaera pans across...you can see the wind blowing snow across the pavement.
you can see the wind blowing snow across the pavement as the camera pans...
Just reporting what the airport official said.
Agreed, it’s too early to say the exact cause but wind shear can’t be ruled out - can cause “the bottom to drop out” close to the ground.
Not a chance the altimeter had anything to do with it - once they break out of the clouds (assuming they intend to land) they go visual with glances inside for airspeed and descent rate.
This landing was WAY too hard, but blowing snow can create illusions in visual cues - or if they were very slow, the flare would not arrest the descent rate enough, or at all (and the sudden loss in airspeed could have been due to a gust).
That is exactly what I observed and my initial reaction when I first saw it this morning.
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