Posted on 02/18/2025 6:13:51 AM PST by lowbridge
BREAKING: New clearest footage showing the crash moment of Delta Air Lines plane at Toronto Airport. All passengers survived
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That sort of "arrival" also happens when you get too slow and let your sink rate go way up. As was said, I didn't see any attempt to flare.
Wonder if the right main gear even landed on the runway? Hit the dirt and ripped off/collapsed?
Definitely pilot error. That flight crew should never sit in an aircraft again.
Yeah, too early to point fingers I guess.
I suspect, that the Delta jet iced-up quickly at lower altitude.
Yeah...looked like plungged right thru the flare...no flare. Altimeter set incorrectly?
On top of that I heard wind shear was a bit challenging at that time.
Seemed like she was gliding a bit faster than normal too.
Seems like it hit so hard I saw it visually bounce. Can’t imagine how that felt to the passengers. More than 6g’s by far I imagine. I almost wonder if that vertical hit was sharp enough to shear/bending fracture the right wing spar(s) at the root.
For the SR-20 design our chief of aircraft structures said, if they land at 6g’s they deserve to break something.
I don’t understand this story. There is something very wrong with the news here. First I saw the guy who walked off the plane and said he thought everyone survived. But he and everyone were banged up. Then I heard in a separate news report that 12 were dead. Then I heard in another report that a 13th person died. Now this morning we are back to no dead but 18 injured 3 critically injured. How can these reports be so wrong and so different?
By the way this is not a delta airlines flight. Its a delta connect flight. Delta Connect is a short haul airline that is Canadian, and flies for Delta. The airline is Canadian. The crew are Canadian. The Airport is Canadian. The airplane is built in Canada by a Japanese firm (once Canadian). The only thing American here are 40% of the passengers and the take off city of Minneapolis. Almost nothing about this crash has to do with the US.
It’s becoming more common for ticket booking sites to let you see the model of plane before buying tickets. I think it would be better if they let you know if the pilot was a DEI.
Ugh. Yes.
Likely windshear caused a massive increase in sinkrate is my guess.
On windy conditions the pilots have to increase the speed a little bit for landing it seems. If that’s incorrect please state differently. Looks like upon landing the front wheels came down much too quickly after the rear’s creating imbalanced instability control with too much speed. Amazingly with all that smoke the survival rate.
Who knows - put me in a different car and I’m jumpy on the brakes too. In your case, it still may have been the brakes, in some way (possibly a DEI mechanic?).
“I’m surprised that airports don’t have HD cameras all over the place.”
My guess is that the control tower has footage of the landing.
If you look closely, I think the landing gear collapsed on impact with the runway, digging a wing into the runway causing the plane to rollover and break off the other wing.
Was it pilot error because they were DEI, that is entirely possible.
DEI doesn’t just infect pilots; it infects the maintenance people as well.
Passenger planes would be flown by A-plus pilots with thousands of hours of flight time, if the people who maintain the planes are incompetent, a mechanical failure can happen and the pilot can do anything about it, regardless of the ability.
“Altimeter set incorrectly?”
That’s what I was wondering.
Is there someone with a pilot’s license who can say if this happens sometimes?
It looked like all the force was on the right-side landing gear first which was the side that collapsed.
Think the winds were like 270/280 at 30/40 kts...landing on RWY23. Icy. Planted that right main pretty hard.
> Kind of looks like right side landing gear collapsed.<
It’s way too early to jump to any conclusions, just observations.
There was Avery low broken layer of clouds probably 100 feet.
The aircraft appeared to be on a stabilized approach. The wings were banked slightly right which would be a good landing technique for a dry runway. It was not an excessive bank.
The pitch remained constant, though it was only about 1-2 degrees of pitch. The main wheels touched first with the nosewheel off the ground.
There was a puff of something immediately from the right gear. Snow? Smoke? Hydraulic fluid? Tire?
We have no idea what the runway conditions were or if the right main gear was even on the runway.
This is way too early to reach a conclusion, but your collapsed right gear fits the bill by looking at 10 seconds of a landing.
EC
Microburst (downdraft) at the last minute. It’s happened before.
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