Did Phoenicians Discover America 2,000 years before Columbus? [9:11]

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0:00 · so if there were civilizations in
0:02 · ancient Peru and ancient Egypt 12,000
0:05 · years ago maybe they did maybe they they
0:07 · did know about each other but your
0:09 · classic Maya and your dynastic Egypt
0:12 · right I wouldn't I wouldn't assume a
0:13 · connection however there's a really
0:16 · weird thing that goes on in the that
0:18 · that's in thech world and I'm going back
0:21 · um in February to study this a bit more
0:23 · if you would pull up Monument 13 laventa
0:27 · olch there's sorry go ahead oh keep what
0:30 · were you going to say no I was going to
0:31 · ask like the thech they have a striking
0:33 · res they have they look like they're
0:35 · African right yeah that that kind of
0:38 · isn't um so that column tomb that I
0:41 · showed you earlier um there like the
0:44 · king wasn't there but they're able to
0:46 · they're they're still able to find
0:47 · biological material from thech and
0:50 · they're able to try to I mean they can
0:53 · still test the DNA of the indigenous
0:55 · people that live there like all the Maya
0:57 · people still live there today you know
0:59 · they're they're descendants are still
1:00 · there tiwanaku's descendants are still
1:02 · there Peruvian descendants are still
1:04 · there so they test their DNA whenever
1:06 · they find tombs that are intact where
1:07 · the soil hasn't destroyed the grave or
1:10 · the biological material and they test it
1:12 · they don't find anything that that
1:13 · results in being African really but if
1:15 · you go meet the indigenous people that
1:18 · live there that have no Spanish DNA in
1:20 · them at all they do look like thech
1:22 · heads they do have these do they they do
1:24 · have these like very peculiar round
1:26 · faces big lips big broad like kind of
1:29 · flat nose
1:31 · are simil to you what we think afans
1:34 · look like so yeah did you Monument 13 I
1:36 · think it's yeah click on that first one
1:39 · yeah you might want to zoom in some of
1:41 · these photos aren't the highest
1:43 · resolution so this these are this is an
1:45 · example of like Proto uh early
1:49 · Mesoamerican hieroglyph so it's tough to
1:51 · see from this angle but around his waist
1:54 · just to the left do you see the foot
1:55 · that's there that's carved onto the uh
1:58 · there there's a foot that's pointing
1:59 · down like the heels at the top and the
2:01 · toes are at the bottom toes are at the
2:03 · bottom right hanging off of his waist no
2:05 · no no it's like to the left of his waist
2:08 · it's uh yeah okay but but the foot's
2:11 · like pointing down and footprint yeah
2:13 · it's a footprint and uh and then so over
2:16 · on the right you have some more glyphs
2:17 · there what's interesting aboutme art is
2:19 · it's it so look at that and I'm not
2:23 · implying connection here but it's it is
2:25 · strange how similar is that to if you
2:28 · guys went over this in the last couple
2:29 · episodes how similar as that to gockley
2:31 · Tey in in its art because what they did
2:34 · is they carved the face off of The
2:36 · Monuments to reveal the hieroglyphs and
2:39 · the glyphs from beneath so they carve
2:41 · the face off but what this means this is
2:43 · a really really interesting Monument so
2:47 · what what we infer that that foot means
2:48 · is is it means he's a traveler okay and
2:51 · then over on the right the glyphs uh
2:53 · spell out that he is a traveler as well
2:55 · it's two different um it's two different
2:58 · like logographs or logograms that that
3:00 · depict that he's the traveler so on the
3:03 · top of his head that little poofy thing
3:05 · and kind of like the tail coming down
3:07 · that is interpreted as being a turban
3:09 · that's not his hair because all MCHS
3:12 · depict themselves as being bald so it's
3:14 · very likely that they shave their own
3:16 · heads and ancient Americans were
3:19 · notorious for not being able to grow
3:20 · beards they didn't like growing facial
3:22 · hair is like a is like a oldw world uh
3:25 · Middle Eastern thing that that uh that I
3:29 · think that you Europeans picked up
3:30 · through like insemination and then it
3:33 · came over to this side of the world but
3:34 · a lot of Native Americans were not
3:37 · growing facial hair um so he has a beard
3:40 · as well he's wearing a turban and he's
3:42 · got these little pointy shoes on well
3:44 · beards turbin and pointy shoes are not
3:46 · seen anywhere at all in in the mech
3:49 · world now this Monument dates back to
3:51 · about 900 to 1,000 BC so exactly at the
3:57 · same time of this there's another thing
3:58 · that you could look up it's like like a
4:00 · San Lorenzo clay head uh San Lorenzo is
4:04 · s a n space l a r n zo o clay head San
4:08 · Lorenzo clayhead um at Monument 13 was
4:13 · found at laventa this right here that's
4:17 · up on the screen now look how
4:19 · amazingly like intricate that is this
4:22 · was found at San Lorenzo so laventa is
4:25 · like the Western most edge of the state
4:27 · of Tabasco this is found in in Vera Cruz
4:30 · at a site called San Lorenzo this is
4:33 · he's wearing a turban he has a little
4:35 · pointy beard this does not look like a
4:36 · Native American what this does look like
4:39 · is somebody who lived in the Middle East
4:41 · at exactly the same time around 1,00 BC
4:46 · the Phoenicians are launching
4:48 · Expeditions out of the straight of
4:50 · jalter from the Mediterranean Sea and
4:52 · they are going to be the first
4:54 · civilization uh of their time to travel
4:56 · all the way around the coast of Africa
4:58 · and back so the so so the Phoenicians
5:00 · were excellent seaf fa fars well there's
5:02 · been studies that prove and they've I
5:04 · think they've tested it with like mock
5:05 · ships that they send out into the ocean
5:07 · that if you go too far west out of the
5:09 · straight of jalter into the Atlantic
5:11 · Ocean you'll be carried by current out
5:14 · into the middle of the ocean straight
5:15 · down through the Bahamas Caribbean
5:17 · straight down into the Gulf Coast right
5:19 · into Old MC Harland so what's
5:22 · interesting is there's some evidence out
5:24 · there that there were Phoenicians who
5:26 · got lost at sea and landed in Mech
5:29 · Heartland and they're depicted onch
5:31 · monuments around 1,000 BC and this is
5:34 · something nobody's talking about um but
5:37 · we don't see evidence of that we don't
5:39 · see evidence of them it's very likely
5:42 · like they stopped in the Caribbean and
5:43 · they met with the carob people it's
5:45 · probably likely that they stopped in the
5:47 · Yucatan before they ended up on the Gulf
5:49 · of Mexico but at at this point in time
5:52 · the Caribs that are in the Caribbean and
5:55 · the
5:56 · Proto early Maya people living in the
6:00 · Yucatan one we just don't have the
6:02 · evidence that that they met up with
6:04 · these people and they maybe never wrote
6:05 · it down or maybe the Phoenicians stopped
6:08 · in the Gulf of Mexico and spent a lot of
6:09 · time around the omx because the omx are
6:11 · so much more progressed and we the only
6:13 · civilization that came across that were
6:15 · similar to themselves now whether the
6:18 · Phoenicians sailed back we don't we
6:20 · don't know we don't have any evidence of
6:21 · because there's no um I don't think that
6:24 · there's any um well you know I'm just
6:27 · learning about this recently um that
6:30 · there may be a place that the
6:32 · Phoenicians spoke about that was that
6:34 · was West out of the gates of Hercules
6:36 · which is like the straight of jalter
6:37 · right there's a place they spoke about
6:39 · that was further out west but there
6:41 · isn't like there's not any
6:44 · substantial um there's not anything
6:46 · written substantially about it to prove
6:48 · that these are the same Phoenicians that
6:49 · came back from the New World um from
6:52 · Mexico and sailed back over so whether
6:54 · or not they ever went back if there were
6:56 · just you know there may have just been a
6:57 · group of 50 of these guys and they died
6:59 · in Mexico you know we we don't know or
7:01 · or their their DNA
7:03 · is such a minimal amount that it can't
7:05 · be detected you know 3,000 years later
7:07 · but yeah this is a this is like a really
7:11 · strong case for recent oldw World
7:14 · contacting the new world way before
7:17 · Columbus ever came whoa yeah well and
7:21 · actually I should I should clarify and
7:22 · say that there may there may be more
7:25 · information out there that existed at
7:26 · one point in time like you know when the
7:28 · Aztecs when we know that when they were
7:30 · writing uh when they were ordering um
7:33 · and producing about 480,000 pieces of
7:36 · paper a day these guys were standing on
7:38 · the shoulders of giants from the Maya
7:39 · the Maya are the ones who really
7:41 · expanded uh
7:43 · Mesoamerican uh like their calendar
7:45 · their mathematics sacred geometry and
7:47 · their writing andology so the Maya are
7:51 · they probably begin around 1,000 BC
7:54 · that's like the very beginning and then
7:56 · they flourish at about 500 AD like 1500
8:00 · years later and they really bring
8:03 · everything they really bring everything
8:05 · like to life and then they exist from
8:08 · their height at about 500 600 700 AD
8:11 · they start collapsing they start moving
8:14 · from the jungles of Guatamala which are
8:16 · like where all the older structures are
8:17 · there's some kind of drought maybe there
8:19 · was a volcano something happened so
8:21 · people start moving north towards the
8:23 · towards the top of the Yucatan and so so
8:26 · their architecture changes they realize
8:28 · that worshiping men as Gods doesn't
8:30 · actually work so they start having like
8:32 · uh Divine councils of rulers so they
8:34 · start moving Northern North into the
8:36 · Yucatan where they they stay there from
8:38 · 800 ad to 1400 ad and they're like
8:41 · fighting the Aztecs at the same time the
8:43 · Aztecs were about to launch an assault
8:45 · on the entire Maya world as soon as the
8:47 · Spaniards show up oh so for about
8:50 · 2,000 years when the Spaniards show up
8:52 · around 2000 years the Maya had been
8:54 · writing so if the Aztecs were producing
8:57 · almost 500,000 copies of paper or a year
8:59 · think about how much the Maya had
9:01 · written down for the last you know
9:03 · almost 2,000
9:10 · years

bearded figure he refers to appears here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMh8RWGc7R8&t=286

thank you for your interesting posts

https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2C8R3CM/the-traveler-monument-13-from-the-olmec-ruins-of-la-venta-preclassic-period-700-400-bc-la-venta-museum-villahermosa-mexico-2C8R3CM.jpg

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/la-venta-mon-13-description-olmec-la-venta-monument-13-the-ambassador-one-of-the-th—488640628321323092/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/12jvv54/monument_13_from_the_olmec_site_of_la_venta/

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-olmec-city-of-la-venta-2136301

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Venta

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=phoenicians

My pleasure.

NO.

Like the Vikings it is interesting but nothing followed on from it. That is why Columbus was important and consequential. Other Europeans followed and opened up the Americas to the world.

A group of Spanish archeologists have made detailed diagrams of a 2,500-year-old Phoenician shipwreck to help work out how best to recover it from the sea before a storm destroys it forever.
Spanish archeologists plan Phoenician shipwreck recovery [1:44]
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Prior to 1492, Columbus went to Iceland to find out about the already known voyages of the Vikings.

Is that where Phoenician blinds come from?

Bay of Jars keyword, redacted:

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:^)

Interesting!

One thing that is for sure though is that the Vikings came to America (Newfoundland and Labrador) about 500 years before Columbus.

I read decades ago that they had. South America. Reader’s Digest even had an article about it and them offering up a youth to the Phoenician gods.

Just past the Canary Is., iirc, the current forks and you can easily wind up on the express to South America. It’s getting home that’s difficult. Not to mention convincing someone to go back there with you, to colonize or set up an emporium.

Phoenicians = Canaanites...

Right. That’s how I view it.

The Vikings were looking for plunder, but all resources to build ships, and despite their stereotypes, the were looking for trade. They may have got as far as “vine land” or northern parts of North America, but it was mostly to collect some pelts and get wood for ship repair/building, and also trying to find precious minerals or rare materials for crafts and smithing. That’s it. They had no interest in permanent settlement and colonization. Mostly just bases/ports to use for travel. If I recall correctly, Normandy is the only place they ever truly stopped permanently.

Also, I think of Phoenicians more as traders in a more traditional sense than the Vikings, although I haven’t read up on them at all. While they may have explored, looking for new sources of trade, they probably had absolutely no interest in untamed territory.

Columbus and the Europeans of his era were all about colonization and expansion. The big material score would be gold, but most European powers look at land as power, and they wanted to take it before their rivals did.

Interesting-Thank you for posting this. With what real history shows, the question isn’t who discovered America, but who didn’t...

Columbus was the 1st to successfully sell the trade and other advantages of the place to the crowned heads with money to finance the ventures we are familiar with...

Prior to 1492, Columbus went to Iceland to find out about the already known voyages of the Vikings.

Wow! I was missing this little tidbit of history. Very interesting that he visited the furthest west part of Iceland. That has to be more than coincidence. Knowing that Columbus’s maternal family were Templar connected, knowing he went to Iceland only a few years before his voyage, and now seeing the Oak Island findings..... I have to believe that Columbus knew about North America long before he sailed.

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0:00	·	so if there were civilizations in
0:02	·	ancient Peru and ancient Egypt 12,000
0:05	·	years ago maybe they did maybe they they
0:07	·	did know about each other but your
0:09	·	classic Maya and your dynastic Egypt
0:12	·	right I wouldn't I wouldn't assume a
0:13	·	connection however there's a really
0:16	·	weird thing that goes on in the that
0:18	·	that's in thech world and I'm going back
0:21	·	um in February to study this a bit more
0:23	·	if you would pull up Monument 13 laventa
0:27	·	olch there's sorry go ahead oh keep what
0:30	·	were you going to say no I was going to
0:31	·	ask like the thech they have a striking
0:33	·	res they have they look like they're
0:35	·	African right yeah that that kind of
0:38	·	isn't um so that column tomb that I
0:41	·	showed you earlier um there like the
0:44	·	king wasn't there but they're able to
0:46	·	they're they're still able to find
0:47	·	biological material from thech and
0:50	·	they're able to try to I mean they can
0:53	·	still test the DNA of the indigenous
0:55	·	people that live there like all the Maya
0:57	·	people still live there today you know
0:59	·	they're they're descendants are still
1:00	·	there tiwanaku's descendants are still
1:02	·	there Peruvian descendants are still
1:04	·	there so they test their DNA whenever
1:06	·	they find tombs that are intact where
1:07	·	the soil hasn't destroyed the grave or
1:10	·	the biological material and they test it
1:12	·	they don't find anything that that
1:13	·	results in being African really but if
1:15	·	you go meet the indigenous people that
1:18	·	live there that have no Spanish DNA in
1:20	·	them at all they do look like thech
1:22	·	heads they do have these do they they do
1:24	·	have these like very peculiar round
1:26	·	faces big lips big broad like kind of
1:29	·	flat nose
1:31	·	are simil to you what we think afans
1:34	·	look like so yeah did you Monument 13 I
1:36	·	think it's yeah click on that first one
1:39	·	yeah you might want to zoom in some of
1:41	·	these photos aren't the highest
1:43	·	resolution so this these are this is an
1:45	·	example of like Proto uh early
1:49	·	Mesoamerican hieroglyph so it's tough to
1:51	·	see from this angle but around his waist
1:54	·	just to the left do you see the foot
1:55	·	that's there that's carved onto the uh
1:58	·	there there's a foot that's pointing
1:59	·	down like the heels at the top and the
2:01	·	toes are at the bottom toes are at the
2:03	·	bottom right hanging off of his waist no
2:05	·	no no it's like to the left of his waist
2:08	·	it's uh yeah okay but but the foot's
2:11	·	like pointing down and footprint yeah
2:13	·	it's a footprint and uh and then so over
2:16	·	on the right you have some more glyphs
2:17	·	there what's interesting aboutme art is
2:19	·	it's it so look at that and I'm not
2:23	·	implying connection here but it's it is
2:25	·	strange how similar is that to if you
2:28	·	guys went over this in the last couple
2:29	·	episodes how similar as that to gockley
2:31	·	Tey in in its art because what they did
2:34	·	is they carved the face off of The
2:36	·	Monuments to reveal the hieroglyphs and
2:39	·	the glyphs from beneath so they carve
2:41	·	the face off but what this means this is
2:43	·	a really really interesting Monument so
2:47	·	what what we infer that that foot means
2:48	·	is is it means he's a traveler okay and
2:51	·	then over on the right the glyphs uh
2:53	·	spell out that he is a traveler as well
2:55	·	it's two different um it's two different
2:58	·	like logographs or logograms that that
3:00	·	depict that he's the traveler so on the
3:03	·	top of his head that little poofy thing
3:05	·	and kind of like the tail coming down
3:07	·	that is interpreted as being a turban
3:09	·	that's not his hair because all MCHS
3:12	·	depict themselves as being bald so it's
3:14	·	very likely that they shave their own
3:16	·	heads and ancient Americans were
3:19	·	notorious for not being able to grow
3:20	·	beards they didn't like growing facial
3:22	·	hair is like a is like a oldw world uh
3:25	·	Middle Eastern thing that that uh that I
3:29	·	think that you Europeans picked up
3:30	·	through like insemination and then it
3:33	·	came over to this side of the world but
3:34	·	a lot of Native Americans were not
3:37	·	growing facial hair um so he has a beard
3:40	·	as well he's wearing a turban and he's
3:42	·	got these little pointy shoes on well
3:44	·	beards turbin and pointy shoes are not
3:46	·	seen anywhere at all in in the mech
3:49	·	world now this Monument dates back to
3:51	·	about 900 to 1,000 BC so exactly at the
3:57	·	same time of this there's another thing
3:58	·	that you could look up it's like like a
4:00	·	San Lorenzo clay head uh San Lorenzo is
4:04	·	s a n space l a r n zo o clay head San
4:08	·	Lorenzo clayhead um at Monument 13 was
4:13	·	found at laventa this right here that's
4:17	·	up on the screen now look how
4:19	·	amazingly like intricate that is this
4:22	·	was found at San Lorenzo so laventa is
4:25	·	like the Western most edge of the state
4:27	·	of Tabasco this is found in in Vera Cruz
4:30	·	at a site called San Lorenzo this is
4:33	·	he's wearing a turban he has a little
4:35	·	pointy beard this does not look like a
4:36	·	Native American what this does look like
4:39	·	is somebody who lived in the Middle East
4:41	·	at exactly the same time around 1,00 BC
4:46	·	the Phoenicians are launching
4:48	·	Expeditions out of the straight of
4:50	·	jalter from the Mediterranean Sea and
4:52	·	they are going to be the first
4:54	·	civilization uh of their time to travel
4:56	·	all the way around the coast of Africa
4:58	·	and back so the so so the Phoenicians
5:00	·	were excellent seaf fa fars well there's
5:02	·	been studies that prove and they've I
5:04	·	think they've tested it with like mock
5:05	·	ships that they send out into the ocean
5:07	·	that if you go too far west out of the
5:09	·	straight of jalter into the Atlantic
5:11	·	Ocean you'll be carried by current out
5:14	·	into the middle of the ocean straight
5:15	·	down through the Bahamas Caribbean
5:17	·	straight down into the Gulf Coast right
5:19	·	into Old MC Harland so what's
5:22	·	interesting is there's some evidence out
5:24	·	there that there were Phoenicians who
5:26	·	got lost at sea and landed in Mech
5:29	·	Heartland and they're depicted onch
5:31	·	monuments around 1,000 BC and this is
5:34	·	something nobody's talking about um but
5:37	·	we don't see evidence of that we don't
5:39	·	see evidence of them it's very likely
5:42	·	like they stopped in the Caribbean and
5:43	·	they met with the carob people it's
5:45	·	probably likely that they stopped in the
5:47	·	Yucatan before they ended up on the Gulf
5:49	·	of Mexico but at at this point in time
5:52	·	the Caribs that are in the Caribbean and
5:55	·	the
5:56	·	Proto early Maya people living in the
6:00	·	Yucatan one we just don't have the
6:02	·	evidence that that they met up with
6:04	·	these people and they maybe never wrote
6:05	·	it down or maybe the Phoenicians stopped
6:08	·	in the Gulf of Mexico and spent a lot of
6:09	·	time around the omx because the omx are
6:11	·	so much more progressed and we the only
6:13	·	civilization that came across that were
6:15	·	similar to themselves now whether the
6:18	·	Phoenicians sailed back we don't we
6:20	·	don't know we don't have any evidence of
6:21	·	because there's no um I don't think that
6:24	·	there's any um well you know I'm just
6:27	·	learning about this recently um that
6:30	·	there may be a place that the
6:32	·	Phoenicians spoke about that was that
6:34	·	was West out of the gates of Hercules
6:36	·	which is like the straight of jalter
6:37	·	right there's a place they spoke about
6:39	·	that was further out west but there
6:41	·	isn't like there's not any
6:44	·	substantial um there's not anything
6:46	·	written substantially about it to prove
6:48	·	that these are the same Phoenicians that
6:49	·	came back from the New World um from
6:52	·	Mexico and sailed back over so whether
6:54	·	or not they ever went back if there were
6:56	·	just you know there may have just been a
6:57	·	group of 50 of these guys and they died
6:59	·	in Mexico you know we we don't know or
7:01	·	or their their DNA
7:03	·	is such a minimal amount that it can't
7:05	·	be detected you know 3,000 years later
7:07	·	but yeah this is a this is like a really
7:11	·	strong case for recent oldw World
7:14	·	contacting the new world way before
7:17	·	Columbus ever came whoa yeah well and
7:21	·	actually I should I should clarify and
7:22	·	say that there may there may be more
7:25	·	information out there that existed at
7:26	·	one point in time like you know when the
7:28	·	Aztecs when we know that when they were
7:30	·	writing uh when they were ordering um
7:33	·	and producing about 480,000 pieces of
7:36	·	paper a day these guys were standing on
7:38	·	the shoulders of giants from the Maya
7:39	·	the Maya are the ones who really
7:41	·	expanded uh
7:43	·	Mesoamerican uh like their calendar
7:45	·	their mathematics sacred geometry and
7:47	·	their writing andology so the Maya are
7:51	·	they probably begin around 1,000 BC
7:54	·	that's like the very beginning and then
7:56	·	they flourish at about 500 AD like 1500
8:00	·	years later and they really bring
8:03	·	everything they really bring everything
8:05	·	like to life and then they exist from
8:08	·	their height at about 500 600 700 AD
8:11	·	they start collapsing they start moving
8:14	·	from the jungles of Guatamala which are
8:16	·	like where all the older structures are
8:17	·	there's some kind of drought maybe there
8:19	·	was a volcano something happened so
8:21	·	people start moving north towards the
8:23	·	towards the top of the Yucatan and so so
8:26	·	their architecture changes they realize
8:28	·	that worshiping men as Gods doesn't
8:30	·	actually work so they start having like
8:32	·	uh Divine councils of rulers so they
8:34	·	start moving Northern North into the
8:36	·	Yucatan where they they stay there from
8:38	·	800 ad to 1400 ad and they're like
8:41	·	fighting the Aztecs at the same time the
8:43	·	Aztecs were about to launch an assault
8:45	·	on the entire Maya world as soon as the
8:47	·	Spaniards show up oh so for about
8:50	·	2,000 years when the Spaniards show up
8:52	·	around 2000 years the Maya had been
8:54	·	writing so if the Aztecs were producing
8:57	·	almost 500,000 copies of paper or a year
8:59	·	think about how much the Maya had
9:01	·	written down for the last you know
9:03	·	almost 2,000
9:10	·	years