Posted on 08/09/2024 9:34:27 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner
(Aug. 9, 2024) — First, let us put on our thinking hat and do some simple grammatical analysis of the two terms ‘Citizen at Birth’ (“CAB”) and ‘natural born Citizen’ (“nbC”).
The first term, “CAB”, tells the reader simply WHEN the person became a Citizen, i.e., at birth.
The second term, “nbC”, tells the reader two things, i.e., WHEN the person became a Citizen, i.e., when born, and also HOW they became a Citizen, i.e., by what type of law the person became a Citizen –- Man-made laws, acts, treaties, amendments, Positive Law(s), or the Law(s) of Nature, Natural Law. The ‘natural born Citizen’ obtains their citizenship by the clear-cut natural law circumstances of their birth, with the birth being in the country and being born to two U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized Citizen) parents, via the Laws of Nature, Natural Law. No man-made law or act is needed to grant them their U.S. citizenship. ... . . . Second, for some basic logic and logical analysis of the “CAB” and “nbC” terms using set and subsets, see this Euler Diagram logic. Euler Diagram analysis is used to test the truth or fallacy of an argument. In this case the fallacy of the argument that the terms ‘natural born Citizen’ and ‘Citizen at Birth” are logically identically equal is clearly disproved. The ‘natural born Citizen’ kind of Citizen is the largest subset of Citizens at Birth. The terms are NOT identically equal. Again, adjectives mean something. ...
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The Constitution enumerates the EXCLUSIVE authority over immigration to Congress. If you dont like the current law, lobby Congress to change it. If that does not work, change Congress.
The phrase ‘natural born Citizen’ appears in the constitution, the phrase ‘Citizen at Birth’ does not.
Trump needs to end birthright citizenship. Anchor babies like Kamala Harris, Bobby Jindal,Nikki Haley, and Ted Cruz are not natural born citizens.
Natural Born Citizen only appears in the presidential qualification clause. Citizen only appears in the qualification clause for Senators and Representatives.
correct
and the phrase Citizen at Birth appears nowhere.
It will hurt his feelings and get the entire MSM to launch attacks on you, you racist, xenophobic bigot.
“Anchor babies like Kamala Harris, Bobby Jindal,Nikki Haley, and Ted Cruz are not natural born citizens.”
Here is a thread from 2008 about Jindal’s potential as a running mate for McCain
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1972117/posts
You will notice that there was a comment about his NBC status to which someone replied that he was born in Baton Rouge. There were no comments about two citizen parents because no one, prior to the Obama nonsense, pretended that was a requirement.
And if two citizen parents were a requirement then the whole Obama birth certificate thing would never have happened because, with a non citizen parent, his place of birth would not have mattered.
The whole two citizen parent thing came up because the birthers needed something to turn to after the “fake birth certificate” didn’t pan out.
"The Constitution enumerates the EXCLUSIVE authority over immigration [??? emphasis added] to Congress."
Respectfully taxcontrol, given that the words immigrant and immigration do not appear in the Constitution, I'm going to disagree with you.
Also, let's not allow the anti-Trump media try to fade our memories of what we witnessed on July 13.
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When and how does a citizen at birth become naturalized?
Are you arguing the Congress can with its legislative authority redefine words used by the founders in the Constitution?
And if so, that such redefinition will prevail even if it has the effect of amending the Constitution?
If that is not your argument, what evidence can you present the founders did not intend the highest form of citizenship for this new nation's most important office?
Agreed
Nice, plain English summary.
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be a natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common -law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves , upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”
“all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves , upon their birth, citizens also.”
Hotlips Harris's Father was a citizen of Jamaica when she was born in Oakland. Literal interpretation would indicate that she is a citizen of Jamaica since a child assumes the citizenship of the Father.
This is why pelosi gave obambam a pretzel twisted waiver so he could ascend to the throne....He is actually a citizen of Kenya, as he and his grandmother proclaimed.
Old chestnut I agree regarding obambam, worth noting regarding Heels.
Exactly what We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Constitution obama did. Notice McCain was vetted but he wasn’t.
The distinction for NBC is loyalty. Imagine if Xi’s gf were to come to the US to have a baby. Would that baby have loyalty to the US or would he/she try to turn the US into the parents’ homeland?
“I do not stand here to cavil with men who are not read in the horn-books of the law; but I assert that every man born within the limits of the Republic, or under its flag at sea, of parents who were not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are, in the very words of the Constitution, natural born citizens”
John Bingham, framer of Amendment XIV that made Obama, Harris and Haley US citizens
from the Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 407 (1862)
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=058/llcg058.db&recNum=64
Enter in 407, click Turn to image, and look at the end of the first and beginning of the second column.
I found that quote on The Conservative Treehouse about a year ago. As far as I know, it never came to public notice during Obama’s terms in office.
3C. Citizenship by descent
Every person born outside Jamaica shall become a citizen of Jamaica-
on the sixth day of August, 1962, in the case of a person born before that date; or
on the date of his birth, in the case of a person born on or after the sixth day of August, 1962,
if, at that date, his father or mother is a citizen of Jamaica by birth, descent or registration by virtue of marriage to a citizen of Jamaica.
https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Jamaica_2015
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