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The Natural Born Citizen Conundrum
The Post & Email Newspaper ^ | 07 Aug 2024 | Joseph DeMaio

Posted on 08/07/2024 11:02:50 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner

(Aug. 7, 2024) — INTRODUCTION

As long-time P&E readers know, your humble servant has for many years railed on about the “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”) issue and how it has been handled (and mishandled) by commentators, scholars and governmental agencies such as the Congressional Research Service (“CRS”). But now, in mid-2024, with the issue again presenting itself in the form of the candidacy for president of one Kamala Devi Harris, and opposed to a tedious repeat of past posts, a brief “one-stop-shopper’s” refresher course, gathering and summarizing in one post the highlights of the debate, may be helpful for those upcoming weekend cocktail party gatherings and barbecue cook-outs where competing “discussions” (aka, “arguments”) on the topic may break out.

Your servant has on several occasions directly addressed the nbC issue as to Harris, here, here and here. The details of those posts will not be re-hashed here, but their conclusions remain: Kamala Devi Harris is likely constitutionally ineligible to seek the presidency, as she is very likely not a natural born Citizen as contemplated by the Founders and Framers of the Constitution.

Instead, your servant now offers the following highlights, summarizing how we got to this precarious juncture in the history of the Republic in the first place and in addition, what might be done to correct the situation, provided that there are enough patriots to put their collective shoulders to the wheel. Candidly, that goal presently seems remote, yet the only way to ensure failure is to forego the attempt. So, here goes.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 2024election; barackobama; birthrightcitizen; constitution; election2024; kamala; kamalaharris; kamalatruth; nationalsecurity; naturalborncitizen; nbc; presidenteligibility; wongkimark1898
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A brief “one-stop-shopper’s” refresher course, gathering and summarizing in one post the highlights of the debate on the original intent, meaning, and understanding of a crucial national security term in the Presidential Eligibility Clause of our U.S. Constitution, i.e., the "natural born Citizen" term.
1 posted on 08/07/2024 11:02:50 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner
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To: CDR Kerchner

Already destroyed by the Kenyan Obama


2 posted on 08/07/2024 11:07:43 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: CDR Kerchner

It boils down to this:

No foreign spice at birth.

Plain vanilla U.S. Americans only, please.


3 posted on 08/07/2024 11:09:11 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: CDR Kerchner
Ok, let me solve it for them: She's not. Neither was Commander Zero.

Both had at least one foreign parent.

Now, who has the guts to deal with it? Everybody will blame "Trump" for pushing it. We know what the SCOTUS should find if they bring it up. Oh, but who has standing to ask? Every single American citizen, or should.

Then what? A Mooch switcheroo at the DNC Convention?? Those people are capable of anything.

4 posted on 08/07/2024 11:11:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: CDR Kerchner

Kamala fits Mark Levin’s U.S. NBC definition circa 2013 when he was pushing the Cubamerinadian Ted Cruz for prexy:

Anyone born to any parents anywhere in the known universe, other than someone born outside the United States to two non-U.S. citizen parents.


5 posted on 08/07/2024 11:16:41 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

Ted Cruz himself knew he wasn’t eligible and said as much early in his career. His ambition trumped his honor. Ambition is a powerful force.


6 posted on 08/07/2024 11:21:17 AM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: CDR Kerchner

one stop refresher on how to lose an election by focusing on bullshit.


7 posted on 08/07/2024 11:30:44 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: butlerweave

“Already destroyed by the Kenyan Obama.”
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So, under your “logic“ if somebody gets away with robbing a bank, we can’t charge the next person who robs the bank and gets caught with a crime, simply because the first guy got away with it. That is logically and legally absurd.

This discussion needs to be had right now, before the election, and preferably in a case before the United States Supreme Court. You can bet your bottom dollar that we are going to have more and more people with divided loyalties being put forth as candidates for President as time goes on. This is unacceptable. The intent behind the “natural born citizen” requirement in the Constitution is that the President of the United States not have any possibility of divided loyalties, and this was assumed (as the article mentioned) to be the case only with people who were both born as citizens, and who were ALSO born to two parents who were citizens at the time of their birth. Otherwise, there is no point to the words “natural born “ in the eligibility section of Article 2. From a legal standpoint, it has long since been part of our law that no words in the Constitution are there for no reason. They all have meaning, and we have never had a ruling on this particular issue during our entire history. We desperately need to have such a ruling, and better with the present Originalist-oriented composition of the Court than if the Democrats retain the presidency And we get a bunch of “Living Constitution” advocates.


8 posted on 08/07/2024 11:39:31 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." - The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Wayne07

I do not remember the Supreme Court, or any court ruling that Kamala is in fact eligible to be considered for president.

but I have spent to much time focusing on your post which is in fact bs


9 posted on 08/07/2024 11:41:13 AM PDT by algore
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To: JayGalt

“Ted Cruz himself knew he wasn’t eligible and said as much early in his career.”

I’ll bet you will be able to prove that claim.


10 posted on 08/07/2024 11:43:35 AM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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To: algore

The courts will never rule that Kamala Harris or anyone else with the same citizenship status isn’t natural-born.

Focusing on that silliness is a distraction.


11 posted on 08/07/2024 11:47:03 AM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: CDR Kerchner

“Kamala Devi Harris”

The article deleted the “L” at the end of Kamala’s middle name...


12 posted on 08/07/2024 11:54:39 AM PDT by newfreep ("There is no race problem...just a problem race")
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To: newfreep

Kamala Devi(l) Harris. Good one! I will have to pass it on to the author.


13 posted on 08/07/2024 12:24:25 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner; All
Thank you for referencing that article CDR Kerchner. Please note that the following critique is directed at the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments.

"The Natural Born Citizen Conundrum"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

The so-called Natural Born Citizen Conundrum may be deliberate smoke and mirrors.

More specifically, I looked for all references to John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, in the referenced article, but could not find the excerpt below from his writings. It appears to be a short list of categories of official United States laws, Jay including the Law of Nations in the list.

Excerpted from the writings of Chief Justice John Jay:

"That you may percieve more clearly the Extent and objects of your Inquiries, it may be proper to observe that the Laws of the united States admit of being classed under three Heads or3 Descriptions—
"1st. all Treaties made under the authority of the united States.

2dly. The Laws of nations [emphasis added]

3dly. The Constitution, and Statutes of the united States—"

John Jay’s Charge to the Grand Jury, the Circuit Court for the District of Virginia, 22 May 1793

We're being scammed by the DC uniparty elite imo.

Finally, let's not allow the anti-Trump media try to fade our memories of what we witnessed on July 13.


14 posted on 08/07/2024 12:36:40 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: CDR Kerchner

Until the Supreme Court defines “Natural Born Citizen” we will not know who can or can not be president.


15 posted on 08/07/2024 12:46:46 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: butlerweave

NOT REALLY

DEAN NEVER VETTED OBAMA

PELOSI SIGNED A “CERTIFICATION” when rumors started that she had left out the phrase “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”

Both events were FRAUD.

THEN-—THE “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” OBAMA FINALLY PRODUCED:

The name of the hospital on that ‘certificate’ is the name of a hospital created when 2 other hospitals MERGED-—5-6 years AFTER BARRY was born.

The FORGERS didn’t do much research


16 posted on 08/07/2024 1:20:38 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: one guy in new jersey

SHE IS A CITIZEN

SHE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE


17 posted on 08/07/2024 1:22:18 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: ridesthemiles

There is, indeed.


18 posted on 08/07/2024 1:24:29 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: JayGalt

Ted Cruz himself knew he wasn’t eligible and said as much early in his career. His ambition trumped his honor. Ambition is a powerful force.

Once Obama was inaugurated, the meaning of NBC no longer had relevance.


19 posted on 08/07/2024 1:25:15 PM PDT by DrHFrog
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To: CDR Kerchner
Did you mean, "Your servant has on several occasions directly addressed the nbC issue as to Harris, here, b>here, and b>here?"
20 posted on 08/07/2024 1:42:40 PM PDT by batazoid (Natural born citizen)
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