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The Nation is far left and I don’t agree with many of their claims here.

However they make an interesting point that Republicans are returning to the “Middle America” strategy offered by Pat Buchanan in 1992/1996 with the selection of Vance by Trump today.

We rejected Buchanan and his strategy in the 1992 primary and choose instead the path of neocons and deep state affiliated politics with Bush senior and his CIA past.

IMO we would have been better off today. The Bush(s) era got us wars, stellar short term stock profits but at the cost of selling off our industrial base to China. Meanwhile we’ve seen the ascendance of the Democratic Party far left in controlling societal norms (who would have fathomed trans women wearing devil horns reading LGBTQ-friendly books to 1st graders these days in 1992?), open borders and near total control of media and education.

Pat Buchanan is far too old now (85) but maybe Vance and Trump can help get us back to our real America roots?

1 posted on 07/20/2024 3:25:24 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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The Democrat party is Stalin’s party now


2 posted on 07/20/2024 3:30:49 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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we could get back to our real American roots but we will be fighting tooth and nail to wrestle back the societal peace the progressive leftists have been allowed to run roughshod over for so long because of the weak republicans. the far leftists present Real violence and the majority of the more balanced American populace don’t want to get involved if it threatens their status quo. they don’t realize that complacency has a cost that gets steeper every day.


3 posted on 07/20/2024 3:34:27 AM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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“blood-and-soil brand of economic nationalism”

Why that sounds positively…Ukrainian
Or fascist
Or nazi

Are we going to get a new red-and-black Party flag?


4 posted on 07/20/2024 3:34:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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“The GOP Is Pat Buchanan’s Party Now”

Good


6 posted on 07/20/2024 3:38:39 AM PDT by pigeoninthepark
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Yes. Buchanan was the Moses of MAGA. I wish he was alive to see that his ideas have triumphed. He was a happy warrior.

Buchanan was the real deal. He defended Nixon until the bitter end by first exposing the corrupt alliance of the deep state, left wing press and Democrats. Recall that Nixon slaughtered the Democrats in the 1972 election with the largest landslide ever. Watergate let them off the mat.


9 posted on 07/20/2024 3:45:45 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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I liked Buchanan quite a bit, but the GOP is much more like Ross Perot’s Party than his. Pat came from politics whereas DJT, like Perot, comes to politics from the business sector.


10 posted on 07/20/2024 3:46:30 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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I have referd to myself as Buchanan republican the last 25 years. when asked to explain my conservatism... The republican party took a wrong direction after Regan left office. deep in the pit of my stomach I knew this but looked at democrat liberalism as a bigger danger.


13 posted on 07/20/2024 3:55:17 AM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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Pat was a lot more socially conservative than the maga movement.


14 posted on 07/20/2024 4:02:46 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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Nonsense from the Left.
Pat was anti Israel and tool of the left to split the vote.
The MSM is pulling out all the stops to save Biden.


15 posted on 07/20/2024 4:11:54 AM PDT by Zathras
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“But the party’s fulsome embrace of a blood-and-soil brand of economic nationalism, as epitomized by Vance’s speech “

Everyone who is against the demon party is a something nationalist. Nationalist being a word they use solely because the NAZIs did. These pathetic actors are reaching the end of their string and that is because they are who they are-modern day nazis.


16 posted on 07/20/2024 4:14:17 AM PDT by TalBlack (I We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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Pat was the most PRESCIENT commentator of the 20th century - he saw exactly what illegal immigration would do to this country


17 posted on 07/20/2024 4:15:23 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Celebrate Climate Change !!!)
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What is obvious, is the Left in the USA is anti-nationalist. They hate the nation, the Constitution, the very idea of limits on government power is abhorrent to them.

It is one of the major reasons they are working so hard to destroy the country and Western civilization.

18 posted on 07/20/2024 4:17:46 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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For all the reservoirs of digital ink spilled on the hallowed self-made origins of Vance's unique American success story, the Hillbilly Elegy author is plainly the spiritual offspring of the Buchanan movement.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is typical leftist, Bolshevik Marxist analysis.

The populist movement under Trump has nothing to do with the so called ideology of Pat Buchanan. Pat was an outlier in his view, but he still was a country club Republican who did not truly understand the huge reservoir of political energy vested in Americas blue collar workers and their direct lift to the US economy.

The populist movement required an awakening of a whole section of our population that Biden could not understand or access because he was a country club elitist.He did not know the yeomanry of America. Donald Trump does, that's where he made his living. JD Vance understands it because he grew up in it.

Buchanan had a few passing aspects of his view that are similar to populism, such as putting America first in a way that would lead to isolationism. MAGA does not lead to isolationism, but to a renewed economic world of reciprocity, which decries isolationism.The Marxists like Lehman are quick to try and lead us astray to conclude that populism equates with isolationism on the international stage. That's just plain and purposefully deceptive.

Putin will come to the table.If he does not then his very life would likely be forfeit.Same with Xi. A new sheriff is coming to town and people like Lehman do not like that one bit.

19 posted on 07/20/2024 4:21:32 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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“Trump’s own listless, meandering, and astoundingly long acceptance speech on the convention’s last night only made it all the more clear that the MAGA torch is being passed to a more focused and clear-eyed generation of ideologues, with Vance as their de facto leader. “

I so hate the left.


20 posted on 07/20/2024 4:22:22 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Paging Dr. Bandy Lee. Dr. Lee please pick up the white courtesy phone.)
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“Pat Buchanan is far too old now (85) but maybe Vance and Trump can help get us back to our real America roots?”

They could have re-played his acceptance speech.
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/patbuchananreformpartyacceptance.htm


23 posted on 07/20/2024 4:36:49 AM PDT by chalkfarmer (I)
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What I remember of Pat Buchanan he was anti-war. Didn't go over well here but maybe he was right in hindsight.
25 posted on 07/20/2024 4:39:10 AM PDT by McGruff (We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye - Joe Biden)
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Pat was super intelligent and he was always right on immigration. He predicted what has happened with letting all those illegals in.

The neocons hated him.


29 posted on 07/20/2024 5:05:13 AM PDT by dforest
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The main conflict in American politics is no longer between Reagan/Buckley conservatism vs. New Deal/Great Society liberalism. I have great nostalgia for those days. It is between America as founded as a Judeo-Christian republic and a materialistic New World Order


31 posted on 07/20/2024 5:06:33 AM PDT by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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“...generation of ideologues...”

You see, only the communist scumbags at The Nation are allowed to be ideologues.

Message to Chris Lehmann: You haven’t seen anything yet. The GOP is the party of William Wallace. We demand FREEDOM from the globohomo deep state overlords. The unelected bureaucrats in Washington DC, along with the filthy propaganda media members (like you) are going to be eliminated. In a few more months, you communist swine are going to get what you deserve. /spit


32 posted on 07/20/2024 5:06:44 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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GOP’s mythical, but tirelessly promoted, alignment with the interests of the white working class.

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ONLY the White, working class? The Nation is lying...yet again. Of course the problem is that they believe their own lies like most myopic Leftists. I suppose this is why they continuously get their panties in a wad over “White nationalism”.


35 posted on 07/20/2024 5:13:37 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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