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Heat pumps are ‘cheapest, healthiest’ way to meet Minnesota’s climate goals, local coalition says
Sahanjournal ^ | 06/10/2024 | Andrew Hazzard

Posted on 06/22/2024 6:49:34 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

If Minnesota wants to reach its goal of net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, the state must rapidly cut greenhouse gas emissions from buildings, a sector where pollution is still on the rise.

A path to phasing out building emissions exists, according to a new report commissioned by Clean Heat Minnesota, a diverse group of energy experts, cities, community service organizations, and consumer advocates.

The report, called the Minnesota Building Decarbonization Analysis, shows that billions of dollars in investments and dedicated planning will be needed to help the state hit its climate targets. But doing so is possible, and best accomplished through mass electrification, the report found.

(Excerpt) Read more at sahanjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Local News; Reference; Science
KEYWORDS: andrewhazzard; cheapest; climate; heatpumps; minnesota
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To: George from New England

“Heat Pumps work down to outside temps in the 30s. Not sub-zero like in Minnesota at times”

I heard that has changed with them, but not sure.


41 posted on 06/22/2024 7:57:56 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Have you seen Joe Biden's picture on a milk carton?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
But doing so is possible, and best accomplished through mass electrification, the report found.

I can hear a train...

42 posted on 06/22/2024 7:59:04 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: George from New England

Heat Pumps work down to outside temps in the 30s


and that is why you ALSO install a back regular heating systems as part of the design

But it does work in that limited range. People don’t look at the whole system

same with a heat pump hot water htr, sounds good till you think about it. It the winter it sucks up the heat from your heated basement. Works ok for summer making the basement cooler.


43 posted on 06/22/2024 8:01:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: George from New England

“..Heat Pumps work down to outside temps in the 30s....”

^THIS^
We use em in a northern climate for heat during the spring/autumn cooler temperatures (35-60 degrees) and for cooling in the summer. We turn em off when outside temps drop below 35 degrees and switch over to our cold weather heating source as there is just no more heat in the outside air for them to pull from. They’ll sit there and run and run and run.....for essentially no gain.
IMHO, they have their place and are efficient in that temperature band, but they ain’t no Minnesota winter heat source solution....stupid arse libs are gonna get people killed.


44 posted on 06/22/2024 8:02:58 PM PDT by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created..." )
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To: Bob434

Exactly. I’m in southern New England so we usually get into the 20s at night. I would say on average. However, there’s plenty of days in the winter where the high may only get into the 20s, but those are usually for a short period of time, a few days at most. Places like Minnesota, Maine, etc. Can see that for probably a week or more


45 posted on 06/22/2024 8:06:06 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: George from New England

“Heat Pumps work down to outside temps in the 30s. Not sub-zero like in Minnesota at times”

Absolutely. I live in the Tidewater region of Virginia and heat pumps are almost just okay during out semi mild winters. I think the line of demarcation is SC on the eastern seaboard. I miss my old house in the Shenandoah region. Natural gas and AC, that worked without the BS.


46 posted on 06/22/2024 8:09:34 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: George from New England
Heat Pumps work down to outside temps in the 30s. Not sub-zero

Heat pumps have been improved.

I installed 2 Mr. Cool DIY mini splits, one in the fall of 2022, the other in the fall of 2023.

Even with the high cost of electricity, due to using it and our oil fired System 2000 boiler, we spent about the same or a little less than previous years overall to heat the house the 2022-2023 winter. We spent a LOT less the 2023-2024 winter.

We heated less of the house the first year, more than previous the 2023-2024 winter, and all of it to a higher temperature than ever before.

In our area, the key is to keep or get traditional oil, gas, wood, etc. heat for the really cold days when the mini split is inefficient or doesn't work at all.

At -13F the mini split does little. At -22F it does almost nothing.

The way I look at it, the supply of oil and electricity is iffy. At any point one might not be able to get one of them.

If you start with a full tank in the fall, the mini split allows you to not use the oil for most of the winter, preserving it for when it's really cold or needed if the grid supplied electricity is down. We have enough solar and batteries to carry us for a long time to keep the boiler running.

Anybody in the northern USA who thinks they are going to heat with only a mini split air to air heat pump is going to be in for a rude awakening. A geo thermal heat pump will work fine, even on the coldest of days as it is exchanging heat with 55 degree soil, but that type of system is very expensive.

47 posted on 06/22/2024 8:09:43 PM PDT by Mogger (AreIn bookstores is a very expensive, beautifully bound in green leather Holy Koran. If one was goin)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Heat Pumps require electricity.
Natural Gas or Propane does not (as long as there is a pilot light).

48 posted on 06/22/2024 8:10:31 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or The Muslims will go jihad on them


49 posted on 06/22/2024 8:11:06 PM PDT by Fai Mao (The US government is run by pedophiles and Perverts )
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To: DennisR

Nobody would die, they would just have to huddle.


50 posted on 06/22/2024 8:11:38 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Yes, it will decarbonize alright.
People will freeze to death in the winter.


51 posted on 06/22/2024 8:16:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: George from New England

Had one all electric house with a heat pump — never again! We froze in the winter.


52 posted on 06/22/2024 8:18:06 PM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O Lord. Lord, hear my voice: Psalm 130)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Bull crap

They don’t work as well as they are touted to work


53 posted on 06/22/2024 8:19:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
"...best accomplished through mass electrification, the report found..."

Get everybody who helped write the report an electric chair. With apologies to Rodney Dangerfield.

54 posted on 06/22/2024 8:19:52 PM PDT by budj (hre)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Any time the government wants everybody to do something, somebody is making a profit.


55 posted on 06/22/2024 8:23:52 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: George from New England

My neighbor on Long Island has heat and AC pumps in 5 rooms. The AC seems fine but they keep their oil powered boiler fired up in the Winter.


56 posted on 06/22/2024 8:24:07 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: DennisR

Corpsesicles


57 posted on 06/22/2024 8:25:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ("If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there")
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To: George from New England

AGREED


58 posted on 06/22/2024 8:28:02 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

They suck. Had one in southern Indiana and my winter bills were $600 per month, 10-15 years ago.


59 posted on 06/22/2024 8:29:06 PM PDT by TiGuy22
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Their heating bill will be unaffordable.


60 posted on 06/22/2024 8:33:36 PM PDT by HollyB
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