HUGE number of EV drivers want to go BACK to a regular car! | MGUY Australia

YT ^ | 6/13/2024 | MGUY Australia

[Signalman]

Study reveals nearly half of US EV drivers want to return to ICE cars and nearly one-third, globally. The media is baffled.

[Mama Shawna]

I have no idea! I’d have to ask my husband. I just know it’s a 318 and it sounds AWESOME.

[JayGalt]

Thanks. I didn’t dig deep enough.

[cableguymn]

it’s part of his intro to every video ;)

sometimes it’s 15-30 seconds in to the video.

[TexasGator]

[TexasGator]

“You conveniently chose a small part of my request to post what you preferred as an answer.”

I responded to the first part up to the question you asked.

[Texas resident]

Imagine trying to evacuate from a hurricane in an EV.

Last big storm that hit here my cousin and her husband drove from their home to their place in the country. About 140 miles. It took them 9 hours to get there.

[TexasGator]

“AFIK, he does not even own one, posts pictures of some ggofy looking ford like jr Highschool kids have posters of.”

Your post looks like something a 7th grader would say.

Time for you to grow up.

[TexasGator]

“Then, the long-term cost of owning an EV is way more than the comparably equipped ICE vehicle, especially after the initial battery starts going bad an/or starts failing to hold a charge.”

What are the long term costs?

Are you factoring in fuel and maintenance savings?

[brookwood]

“Tesla batteries last 300k to 400k miles.”
Why does my phone battery die after 3 years? same chemistry as a car battery

[JimRed]

Tesla batteries last 300k to 400k miles.

Says who? Tesla? Then have them put it in writing, in warranty form!

[Chickensoup]

tesla car batteries from crashes are repurposed for home energy systems see Sen Massie and interview with Carlson

[TexasGator]

“Says who? Tesla? Then have them put it in writing, in warranty form!”

How long was the warranty on your car?

[JimRed]

How long was the warranty on your car?

Immaterial- they did not claim 300k-400k miles of service.

[TexasGator]

“Immaterial- they did not claim 300k-400k miles of service.”

Newer ICE engines are good for about 200k miles. Tesla data for OLDER batteries show they are still going at 200k. Will easily go more. Newer batteries even farther.

[TexasGator]

“Why does my phone battery die after 3 years? same chemistry as a car battery”

Not the same technology.

OTOH, my wife’s phone is still going after 5 years. My S21 still strong after 3 years.

[adorno]

What are the long term costs? Are you factoring in fuel and maintenance savings?

That's an easy one.

EVs were initially touted as a way to save on fuel costs. But, the reality is that, when it comes to the 'fuel', ICE cars end up saving on the 'fuel' over the 'fuel' for driving an EV.

Most EVs cost more, and in some cases, a lot more than a comparably equipped ICE vehicle. The EV battery saves on gas? Not so fast!

The battery for an EV is the "fuel" that drives the vehicle. The charge that the battery holds is just another cost to the total fuel cost. When you pay a lot more for an EV, it's mostly because you're "paying up front for the fuel", in the form of a battery. No battery, no fuel. Whereas with an ICE car, you pay as you go, on each filling with gas. I calculated the savings some years back, and ICE cars actually ended saving on fuel, because, the battery plus the recharging will add up to more than an ICE vehicle will consume over a 10 year period. An EV can cost $20,000 to $40,000 more because of the battery, which is in reality the "fuel' or driving force that makes the vehicle move. When the cost of fuel for an ICE car is around $10,000 (give or take) over a 10 year period, the ICE car comes out on top in 'fuel' savings, because, you paid that $20,000-40,000 more for the EV. The battery is the fuel, even if the 'fuel' is hidden.

Then, when the battery has to be replace because it doesn't hold a charge or because it's gone bad, you're going to be putting up another $20,000 or more for the 'additional fuel' cost. In that case, you will have paid more than $40,000 for fuel costs with an EV, and that's a few times more than with an ICE vehicle, perhaps as many as 3-4 times more.

And, when a battery is damaged or suffers water damage, it can't be fixed and must be replaced. Insurance companies try to stay away from insuring EVs because of the many problems with the batteries. And when insurance is available, the insurance for an EV is way more than for ICE vehicles.
People have learned about the many disadvantages of owning EVs, and many of those lessons come from the millions who have owned EVs. Lessons learned the hard way. Millions have decided that, one EV is enough and never again.

[Moltke]

Without a lot more info on how that graph came about, I’ll say it was made on a rolling road in the Tesla labs under perfect conditions. And not over a 10+ year period either.

Circumstances (and sources) matter.

[adorno]

I responded to the first part up to the question you asked.

Which means that, you didn't really answer the total question, and which also means that, you don't have a real answer to the question.

[adorno]

That graph reminds me of the phony graph that global warminst hoaxers used to claim that the globe was warming. Remember the hockey-stick graph? They dropped it from their claims because their data and studies and conclusions were phony as hell.

[Fresh Wind]

“Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints”

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

I trust Tesla as much as I trust Joe Biden.