Posted on 04/14/2024 9:22:42 AM PDT by daniel1212
according to new research from the University of Utah. Males' upper bodies are built for more powerful punches than females', says the study, published in the Journal of Experimental Biology...
For years, Carrier has been exploring the hypothesis that generations of interpersonal male-male aggression long in the past have shaped structures [as if there was no Designer] in human bodies to specialize for success in fighting...
It's already known that males' upper bodies, on average, have 75% more muscle mass and 90% more strength than females'. But it's not known why.
"The general approach to understanding why sexual dimorphism evolves," Morris says, "is to measure the actual differences in the muscles or the skeletons of males and females of a given species, and then look at the behaviors [not design] that might be driving those differences."
To test their hypothesis the researchers had to measure punching strength, but carefully....
To test their hypothesis the researchers had to measure punching strength,...even with roughly uniform levels of fitness, the males' average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman. Such a distinction between genders, Carrier says, develops with time and with purpose...
It's an uncomfortable thought to consider that men may be designed for fighting. That doesn't mean, however, that men today are destined to live their ancestor's violent lives...
The study was funded by the National Science Foundation and included additional co-authors Jenna Link and James C. Martin, both of the Department of Nutrition and Integrative Physiology at the University of Utah.
(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...
When I was 12 my Mom was enraged at something I had done and resorted to hitting me, slapping , kicking etc. I just stood there taking it until she wore herself out. I was not hurt or injured in any way. After that it was always “wait till your father gets home!”
News to whom, exactly?
Well done. Very interesting.
News flash!
Stop! Your logic is just sexist...or racist...or sumpin’...
I am heartened when I meet a woman who understands this distinction and doesn’t characterize me as a misogynist or a sexist when I state an obvious fact which is not a “consensus” but an actual, provable fact. Reality will not disguise that fact.
I rarely have anyone on this site challenge me on this, I presume it is politically incorrect to even engage in the discussion of this if you disagree.
But when men and women engage in sports the truth cannot be avoided, even if we can direct our gaze somewhere else. And after we put females in combat roles, we won’t be able to hide from that reality either...and we won’t be able to look away, either.
And the people who pushed it will be nowhere to be found.
Women have more pain sensors per square inch in their skin.
LOL, Butterbean. He was a mountain. Certainly couldn’t body shot him. Too muck body. Couldn’t take him to the mat, he just rolled on top of you. Guys spent the match always backing up hoping for a headshot.
One other things that I don’t think is ever really considered- muscle memory-in the sense that once you’ve built muscle mass and strength it’s much easier to get it back later if if you lose it rather than building it in the first place
As a teenager I was strong and healthy but building the real extreme strength was a hard long term process but later in life I could slack off for years and then get right back to near peak in a couple months effort-and I doubt many young women try to achieve maximum strength and muscle mass as teenagers
It’s not exactly on topic but it seems relevant
Despite getting a desk job after a stint in the Navy in the early 1960s, he always easily maintained his formidable strength. Even when he was approaching 70, he could still drive a golf ball nearly 400 yards. Despite never having much of a work-out routine in his adult years, maintaining his youthful strength seemed effortless.
I believe that neglecting your physical conditioning in your formative years really sets you back for the rest of your life.
Here is why: It is true that a women can train hard and long to reach the apex of possible fitness for her. She may be at the peak for her sex, age, and weight, and be capable of defeating a male who is not in shape or is older.
But as soon as she stops vigorously exercising, her body will begin regressing immediately, and faster than a male's body would. In far less time, she will be back to ground zero (for her) of her fitness level, and to get back, she will need to train just as long and as hard, or harder, as she originally did.
That is biology at work. Her body is not naturally meant to be muscular and strong the way a man's body would be. She has estrogen flowing through her system, and it will actively work to undo what she has done in the past.
In a combat or military scenario, if a woman is trained to the top of her fitness level that is achievable, if she gets a lower extremity injury, she is not going to be training hard, and will begin regressing faster and more dramatically than a male would.
And this is no small issue.
This article, written back in 2015 by a female Marine (Jude Eden) is a frank discussion by a woman with experience in this: LINK: Women in Combat-A Question of Standards by Jude Eden, USMC)
Women cannot be held to the same standards of men who can simply bear greater weights of packs and equipment due to their greater muscle mass and heavier bone structure. In normal recruit training, with similar standards, females cannot consistently bear the same load as men.
From the article linked above: "...The women averaged eight visits to the medical clinic; the men averaged only 2.5 visits. On the average, women suffered nine times as many shin splints as men, five times as many stress fractures, and more than five times as many cases of tendinitis..."
So, any females who had worked hard to reach a level of fitness that would allow them to inhabit the mid-low regions of capability that men naturally inhabit, were nine times as likely on average to suffer shin splints (a common load-bearing malady) and those women, upon being removed from duty to recover, are going to take longer to regain their prior level of enhanced fitness. On a military base stateside, that is annoying. In a combat theater, that is debilitating to the mission.
This article was from 2015, and references studies done by the US Military in the 1990's. The author of this article knows of what she speaks.
Thanks that’s good information
That linked article is astonishingly good. Not long, and well worth reading.
It is amazing how many, young women especially but even some older, think they can do more than annoy a typical male in a direct physical confrontation, while being completely overmatched.
I’ve seen a few specific young women that have caught a guy doing dumb stuff by surprise and did some damage before things came to a halt - but in any of those cases if the guy decided it was worthwhile to continue it would have been all over fast the other direction.
That’s more of a ‘how’, and not so much of a why. The why is so they can beat up other guys. Their fists are literally made for punching/slugging.
If I want to, I can still work all day doing physically demanding work. I do not go to a gym. Have no desire to.
I am 63.
My wife goes to a gym three days and week and works out hard, but cannot keep up with me.
It’s not a competition. It is nature.
Well, that explains a lot! I am often so clumsy that I wonder what those damn things at the ends of my arms were put there for!
why do women want to be like men?
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