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Musing about the universe
me ^ | 1/10/2024 | me

Posted on 01/10/2024 6:24:18 AM PST by gop4lyf

If the speed of light is constant, and the "Big Bang"(according to Google) happened 13.8 billion years ago, then how is the size of the known universe (according to Google) 93 billion light years across? Shouldn't it at most be about 28 billion light years across?


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: bigbang; fateoftheuniverse; space; vanity; vaticanastronomer
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I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory, but this seems like a glaringly obvious hole in the theory.
1 posted on 01/10/2024 6:24:18 AM PST by gop4lyf
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To: gop4lyf

The speed limit was higher back then. No cops around.


2 posted on 01/10/2024 6:28:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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I’ve actually asked that question myself although I didn’t look up the size of the ‘known universe’. It seems to big based on standard physics, unless you get a little meta-physical and utilize Einstein’s concepts of relativity where even light is relative and can even be bent by gravity, but what if the speed of light was relative to the expansion of the universe and not a pure constant as if it would be the same if there was no expansion. In other words, the universe is expanding faster than they suggest it is and you can’t calculate it accurately because of the disparity of perception/measurement of light as your method.


3 posted on 01/10/2024 6:29:24 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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It shouldn’t, based on their figures.

I did figure out that, if the universe was condensed to a cube where it had the density of osmium, the most dense element on the periodic table, it would be 9.404 light years across.

You can check my figures to see if I missed anything.

The amount of mass that is thought to be in the universe is 1.59486x10^55 kg. This works out to be 1.59486x10^58 g.

The density of osmium is 22.6 g/cm^3, which if you divide the initial mass by the density, you would end up with a cube 7.056902654867x10^56 cm^3. If you cube root this, you would end up with 8.903034210977x10^18 cm on each side, which works out to be 8.903034210977x10^13 km, on each side.

The speed of light is 300,000km/sec. It would take 2.967678057506x10^8 seconds to traverse the distance. This works out to be 4.946130095844x10^6 light minutes. This works out to be 8.2435015974x10^4 light hours. This works out to be 3.434812566558 x10^3 light days. Finally, the distance equals approximately 9.404 light years.

The universe, when condensed to the same density as osmium would be a cube with a side as long as 9.404 light years.


4 posted on 01/10/2024 6:29:25 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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The speed ogylightnus 186000 mps. But the expansion of the universe is not constricted by this doeed


5 posted on 01/10/2024 6:29:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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Everything is bigger in Texas!


6 posted on 01/10/2024 6:30:46 AM PST by Oscar in Batangas (An Honors Graduate from the Don Rickles School of Personal Verbal Intercourse)
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The expansion of the universe is not regulated by the speed of light. Travel within the universe, is.


7 posted on 01/10/2024 6:31:20 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s evolving, and revolving at 900 mph.

it’s orbiting at 19 miles per second, so it’s reckoned, a sun that is the source of all our power.


8 posted on 01/10/2024 6:33:04 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: hinckley buzzard

I understand that, but there are objects thatare at the far reaches of the universe. How did they get there faster than the speed of light?


9 posted on 01/10/2024 6:35:56 AM PST by gop4lyf (Gay marriage is neither. Democrats are the party of sore losers and pedophiles.)
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To: Jonty30

Damn. This guy did the math.


10 posted on 01/10/2024 6:36:14 AM PST by gop4lyf (Gay marriage is neither. Democrats are the party of sore losers and pedophiles.)
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It’s not just the speed of the particles expanding space, but the expansion of the “nothingness” between them. The expansion of space has nothing to do with moving objects, and is not limited by the velocity of light. Also, the Universe expands at a rate, not a speed.

There are decades of books written on this, me collapsing it into a soundbite is beyond my meager monkey brain.


11 posted on 01/10/2024 6:36:21 AM PST by BBQToadRibs2
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The universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light simply because there is no restriction within the universe preventing it from doing so. Who knows what speed restrictions there are in the brane that our universe exists within? Within the universe itself, light is constrained to traveling at 300KPS which is why we can’t see the entire universe because there hasn’t been enough time to see the light from the far ends of the universe.


12 posted on 01/10/2024 6:38:34 AM PST by Fish Speaker (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Oh, and, "Let's Go Brandon!")
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The latest theory is the idea that shortly after the big band, there was a period of “inflation”of space itself.

Supposedly, due to this theory extension, space itself continues to expand and enlarge — ALL SPACE, EVRYWHERE.

Since light travels in space, such an expansion would also “stretch” the wavelength of emitted light as it traveled, causing the so-called “red-shift, which says that things further away are traveling aways faster the further away they are.

Space, itself, isn’t just empty, but has properties — goes the theory extansion.


13 posted on 01/10/2024 6:39:39 AM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Fish Speaker

*300,000KPS


14 posted on 01/10/2024 6:40:26 AM PST by Fish Speaker (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Oh, and, "Let's Go Brandon!")
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To: gop4lyf

If the Universe is 94 billion light years across, what is on the outside?


15 posted on 01/10/2024 6:41:05 AM PST by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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Informative commentary about this topic was published in Forbes in 2019. Worthy of thoughtful consideration:

Size of the Universe & the Speed of Light"

16 posted on 01/10/2024 6:42:52 AM PST by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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The size of the universe is not a “yardstick” concept. What would happen if somehow you gotto the very edge and ventured beyond? All these theories about the origin, age and size of the universe are theoretical , unproven concepts that are the philosophical , even mystical musings of agnostic men. Human beings are the only species with a brain capable of mysticism. The story of civilization is how those mystical thoughts have been expressed and the insights and values that evolved from them.


17 posted on 01/10/2024 6:45:40 AM PST by allendale
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The Universe was smaller back then..................


18 posted on 01/10/2024 6:45:44 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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The speed of light is constant - time is not.


19 posted on 01/10/2024 6:48:18 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (I didn't mis-gender you, You did!)
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To: teeman8r

Reminds me of a song from one of the Monty Python movies!


20 posted on 01/10/2024 6:52:19 AM PST by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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