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Alaska flight incident reveals another feature Boeing didn’t inform pilots about
Politico ^ | 01/09/2024 12:38 PM EST | By ALEX DAUGHERTY

Posted on 01/09/2024 8:51:35 PM PST by Red Badger

Federal investigators said that Boeing didn’t make pilots aware that when a plane rapidly depressurizes, the cockpit door will fly open

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The cockpit door aboard last week’s troubled Alaska Airlines flight surprised the flight crew by swinging open seconds after the fuselage suffered a potentially catastrophic rupture, according to the chair of the federal agency investigating the incident.

National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy said during a news briefing Monday that the cockpit doors flew open immediately after the paneled-over exit door popped off of the fuselage. A flight attendant had to try three times to get it to close again, Homendy said.

“The cockpit doors flew open immediately and at this point the flight attendant in the forward portion of the aircraft was standing. The cockpit door flew open, hit the lavatory door,” Homendy said. “The lavatory door got stuck. She did attempt to shut the door three times, it eventually shut but it did blow open during the explosive decompression.”

Homendy’s revelation echoes criticism heaped on Boeing during earlier probes of another in the 737 MAX line of planes, the MAX 8, in which pilots said they were not properly trained on a flight control system on board the plane that was implicated in two deadly crashes overseas. In 2020, pilots were required to undergo new simulator training and training for erroneous angle of attack sensor malfunctions as part of the plan to put the 737 MAX back into service.

“It’s another round of Boeing not telling pilots about an airplane detail, which erodes the trust relationship and more importantly it narrows the safety margin.” said Dennis Tajer, a spokesperson for the Allied Pilots Association, which represents pilots from American Airlines.

Homendy said that Boeing would make changes to its MAX 9 manual to make clear that the doors are designed to open.

In June, the FAA announced it will require a secondary barrier between the passenger cabin and cockpit of new commercial planes that are manufactured starting in the summer of 2025.

Oriana Pawlyk contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Travel
KEYWORDS: airlines; alaska; alaskaairlines; boeing; cockpit; cockpitdoor; door; faa; pilots
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SURPRISE!.........................
1 posted on 01/09/2024 8:51:35 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; A.A. Cunningham; ...

AVIATION PING!.............................


2 posted on 01/09/2024 8:52:08 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

If God had meant for me to fly ... He wouldn’t have let me read articles like this one.


3 posted on 01/09/2024 9:05:55 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: TigersEye

I haven’t flown since a few months before 9-11................


4 posted on 01/09/2024 9:10:25 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: TigersEye

It was experiencing a landing on my 6th jet and plane flight that surprised me by not being as smooth as I expected when I realized that it was the first landing I had ever experienced.


5 posted on 01/09/2024 9:18:58 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Red Badger

I have flown three times in my life. In 1965 (age 10), 1982 and 2001 about three months after 9-11.

That last flight wasn’t too bad but definitely had some added weirdness due to 9-11.

I won’t totally rule out flying again buuuuut it will probably have to be very important with no other viable options.


6 posted on 01/09/2024 9:19:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: ansel12

LOL

Were you pulling at your vest and feeling some panic at not finding what you were grabbing for? :)


7 posted on 01/09/2024 9:22:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: TigersEye

LOL, it wasn’t that bad, I thought it seemed bumpier than it should be but I asked a couple of passengers and they didn’t think much of it.

It was strange for me though when I realized that little factoid about my first landing being so late in my flying experiences.


8 posted on 01/09/2024 9:28:08 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Heh, good thing you weren’t on that Alaska flight.
You might have reacted to that open door in an entirely inappropriate way!


9 posted on 01/09/2024 9:36:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: Red Badger

How about the cockpit is capable of maintaining its own, separate pressurization so the pilots don’t have to do their best impression of Darth Vader while landing a crippled plane?

CC


10 posted on 01/09/2024 9:37:52 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Red Badger

Too bad but Boing has pushed the design too far for too long. It is a low to the ground airplane and a stretched fuselage makes it more prone to tail strikes. So it needs higher landing speeds. Just one not good at all factor. All good things come to an end.


11 posted on 01/09/2024 9:39:04 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: Red Badger

1991


12 posted on 01/09/2024 9:42:17 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: TigersEye

The truth is that I preferred open doors on planes and helicopters, commercial flights made me feel boxed in and without any control.

From what I hear about current commercial flying conditions the claustrophobia would be nasty for me, as far as that door business, I have always liked collecting experiences and would have liked to have had that one since it turned out OK.

When my commercial flight lost an engine over the Atlantic going to Europe I had that fun feeling of possible adventure.


13 posted on 01/09/2024 9:47:36 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Red Badger

Ummm. I thought the cockpit doors were supposed to be locked during flight, courtesy of our mooslim friends after 9-11. Are they saying the locks didn’t work? That’s pretty comforting, no?


14 posted on 01/09/2024 10:36:19 PM PST by technically right
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To: technically right

No, it was designed to open in case of loss of cabin pressure. They just didn’t tell the pilots or put it in the manual. Now it’s a security flaw......................................


15 posted on 01/09/2024 10:38:38 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger
Yes, the cabin door is suppose to be reinforced and secure. The depressurization opening it is a huge deal.
16 posted on 01/09/2024 11:37:14 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Red Badger
Boeing gets a bad rap for the auto-pilot software that allegedly caused two mass fatality crashes.

That same software was used for 18 months in Europe, North America, Aus-NZ, Japan, and the Persian Gulf.

Not one incident report was filed in those countries in regard to the software after more than 60,000 flights.

The two fatal crashes involved four Muslim pilots flying for two lesser developed countries.

17 posted on 01/10/2024 4:13:26 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Red Badger
Civil aviation safety is not a priority at Boeing any more.


18 posted on 01/10/2024 4:44:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Red Badger
Blancolirio has some new information.

Blancolirio

This aircraft was logging multiple fail overs of the cabin pressurization system, suggesting the door plug was leaking prior to the event.
19 posted on 01/10/2024 8:25:15 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Red Badger

Airlines build their own manuals and train a majority of their own pilots. The do this based on OEM supplied data. MCAS was covered in the 2017 Boeing manual.

http://www.b737.org.uk/mcas.htm#techdes

Media lie for Yuan


20 posted on 01/10/2024 10:42:18 AM PST by Dead Dog
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