Update from Ukraine | Ukraine Continue to Push the Ruzzian Army on the South | Verbove is next

Youtube.com ^ | 11-15-2023 | Denys Davydov

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

Update from Ukraine | Ukraine Continue to Push the Ruzzian Army on the South | Verbove is next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqrvqOtXZQ

Recap Deployment Map changes – Week 45 November 13, 2023

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[JonPreston]

Have you found your way to the front yet?

[Reno89519]

Well, it’s very simple to me. Ukraine was never really an independent country, it’s been part of the Soviet Union for 70+ years and parts of other countries prior to that. Well, they were given independence, it never took, half their citizens wanted to rejoin Russia at one time or another, and yes, it fell back into a Civil War. The US would’ve encountered the same thing and our citizens wanted to re-join England after independence, but we didn’t. But I’ll give you credit, you and Reverend whatever have a lot of talking points collected ready to throw out whenever the opportunity arises. I hope you’re well paid for it.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“Do you like being wrong consistently?”

Correct! Good catch.

He thinks if he just tells the same lie often enough... someone might believe him!

[gleeaikin]

As I was reading the very detailed and well written piece at Comment #78, I began to wonder about what was really happening in Ukraine during this March/April expression of hope and optimism for a quick peace between Ukraine and Russia. First of all was the BIG problem that settlement included leaving Russia with Crimea, and Ukraine with the problem of supplying Crimea with water from the Dnieper River (from the dam ultimately destroyed by Russia in their stupid attempt to flood the marshes east of Kherson). I looked for independent news articles regarding conditions in Ukraine during the March/April 2022 period of hope and optimism in the West and among Ukraine’s leaders. I chose the link below written by on the spot AlJazeera journalists at that time. I figured Aljazeera would not have the same biases as Western or Russian writers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/6/21/inside-ukraine-war-crimes-investigations

This article covers the tragedy of one Bucha family which began on March 11, 2022. By this time bodies were already littering the town’s streets. The family wife disappeared while seeking water and medicine. Husbands were staying home because Ukraine men were already being picked up by Russia soldiers and being beaten and tortured. About 2 weeks later the family was told to come get the woman’s body at a collection point where many other bodies were gathered. Read the whole story to get the full picture of what she and others were forced to suffer in March 2022 before their murder.

By early April the West must have been coming aware of the true situation in occupied Ukraine. If a decision was made by NAtO countries and Ukraine that a just peace was impossible to achieve with blatant war criminals, it was an honest and well reasoned decision and agreement between NATO and other Western countries with Ukraine that a just peace was impossible to negotiate with such a lying mass of monsters. It was not a sign of NATO dishonesty. It was a true sign of just how horrible and evil this Russian/Putin invasion really was. Good decision NATO and Ukraine!! Shame on those in the US government refusing to continue help that is only costing about 5% of our US military budget to nip such horrible aggression in the bud. Not only are we preserving Western civilization and Ukraine, but if our help stops this war, Putin will no longer be able to send his non-Russian citizen/victims off to be slaughtered in his ego driven NON-war. China will also see we do not put up with such wanton and viscious aggression. Two very good ultimate results.

[JonPreston]

China 🇨🇳 will own America shortly and for many a collapse of this corrupt government can’t come soon enough. Buckle up, granny 👍🤣

[gleeaikin]

I too was disturbed by what I read in comment 78 about the actions of NATO and the West with regard to the March/April 2022 peace negotions. If you have an honest bone in your body, you need to read the article I linked in comment #164. I tried to find a disinterested journalistic comment regarding what whas happening in Ukraine while the negotiators were safely working on the proposal outside of wartorn Ukraine. I thought Aljazeera was a reasonably neutral source, and I hope you will read their whole article. Compare dates of their facts on the ground with the dates reported in Comment #78 for a more realistic picture of influences on the final non-results.

[cabojoe]

Hi caww...I just came back to this thread today to tell you I thought this was a well done post (and to bookmark it!). Thanks!

[caww]

Yep! Thanks.

[Cronos]

Is it snowing already from the communist era block in St Petersburg?

[JonPreston]

Go stick a pierogi in your boyfriends' pants

Poland stopping military aid to Ukraine is “a sovereign decision,” Pentagon says

[BroJoeK]

JonPreston: "Your Neocon moment is over.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is the Greatest Diplomat
Sergey Lavrov: The 500-year-long era of the West’s global dominance is over."

Well, first, it's obvious where your loyalties and affections lie, perhaps not so surprising considering how treasonous US public education can be these days.

Second, your word "neo-con" is out of place and meaningless in this context.
The key fact about "neo-cons" is that they began life as Democrats, "who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests."

I've never been a Democrat, never voted for a Democrat, have always voted as conservatively as possible.
Fair to say, I was conservative before you were born, FRiend.

When I was a boy, "Mr. Conservative" was Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, and he remains the definition of conservative in my book:

"Taft's greatest prominence during his first term came not from his fight against the New Deal but rather from his vigorous opposition to US involvement in the Second World War.
A staunch non-interventionist, Taft believed that America should avoid any involvement in European or Asian wars and concentrate instead on solving its domestic problems.
He believed that a strong military, combined with the natural geographic protection of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, would be adequate to protect America even if Germany overran all of Europe.
Between the outbreak of war in September 1939, and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, Taft opposed nearly all attempts to aid countries fighting Germany.
That brought him strong criticism from many liberal Republicans, such as 1940 presidential nominee Wendell Willkie, who felt that America could best protect itself by supporting the British and their allies.
Although Taft fully supported the American war effort after Pearl Harbor, he continued to harbor a deep suspicion of American involvement in postwar military alliances, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Taft was the only representative to speak in opposition to Japanese-American internment.[29]"

"Following Eisenhower's election [1952] and the Republican takeover of Congress, Taft served as Senate Majority Leader in 1953, and he strongly supported Eisenhower's domestic proposals.
He worked hard to assist the inexperienced new officials of the administration.
He even tried, with little success, to curb the excesses of red-baiting US Senator Joseph McCarthy.
By April, Eisenhower and Taft were friends and golfing companions, and Taft was praising his former adversary.
Defeat in 1952, it seemed, had softened Taft.
No longer burdened by presidential ambitions, he had become less partisan, less abrasive, and more conciliatory; he was now widely regarded as the most powerful man in Congress."

So, Taft supported Pres. Eisenhower and Eisenhower supported NATO and the "Containment" policy against China.
Both were relatively conservative and neither was a "neo-con".
Both believed in deterrence and "Peace through strength".

That is conservatism as I've always understood it, and has nothing to do with Democrat "neo-cons".

As for Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov, he is, of course, entitled to his own opinions, but the fact remains his forecast of the "Death of the West" is still highly premature.

This reminds me of Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate of Mordor:

"Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers.
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.
An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day!

This day we fight!

By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

[JonPreston]

When I was a boy, "Mr. Conservative" was Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, and he remains the definition of conservative in my book

Typical moderate Republican, as you are

The Moderate and the McCarthyite: The Case of Robert Taft

[BroJoeK]

JonPreston: "You didn't see anything.
Those "estimates" are a product of the pretend world you live in.
Please continue."

"In July 2022, [Ukraine's] Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov stated that the Armed Forces had an active strength of 700,000; Reznikov also mentioned that with the Border Guard, National Guard, and police added, the total comes to around one million.[65]"

As of today, Ukraine's total numbers are said to be:

1. 800,000 Active Military Personnel

2. 900,000 Reserves

3. 300,000 Border Guards, National Guard & Police

   ~2,000,000 total carrying arms.

Russian armed forces are said to total:

1. 1,150,000 Active duty
2. 2,000,000 Reserves

   ~3,150,000 total Russian Armed forces.

How many of Russia's total strengths are now in or around Ukraine?
I've seen different estimates, with the highest being now 400,000.

Russian manpower losses average over 500 per day, and on major "Meat Wave" assault days top 1,000 per day.
Ukrainian losses run from half to a third those numbers.

Those are the best numbers I can find, and I doubt if you can find any more realistic.

[JonPreston]

The Wiki numbers you're using were last edited in March 2022

This article has too many list sections that may read better as prose. You can help by converting these sections, if appropriate. Editing help is available. (March 2022)

[BroJoeK]

E. Pluribus Unum: "You are so FOS."

Sadly, you have no clue what you're saying.
Here's the truth of this matter:

Since 1991 Ukrainians have been vastly more devoted to their own constitutional democratic (small-d) processes than Vlad the Invader's Russia could ever even imagine.

Russians have suffered under Vlad the Invader's dictatorial rule since 1999 and single party rule since 2003.

In that same time period, Ukraines have constitutionally elected six Presidents from different parties and seven parliaments with different majorities.
Only one Ukrainian president was ever reelected.

Within their constitutional framework, Ukrainians have undergone two major revolutions -- the Orange Revolt in 2004 and the Maidan Revolution of Dignity in 2014.
Both were protests against corrupt Ukrainian leaders and that theme came up again in the 2019 election of Volodymyr Zelenskyy's "Servant of the People" party.

So I don't know what Russian propaganda nonsense you've been reading, but in fact, there's no comparison of corrupt Russia to constitutional Ukraine.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Whatever you say, Mr. Soros.

How is the money laundering operation going?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

[BroJoeK]

JonPreston: "List a link to an account that shows corruption is being eliminated."

Without even looking it up, I can think of more Ukrainians big wigs arrested or fired for corruption that Russians and American leaders combined.

That's why Ukraine's objective "Corruption Index" has steadily improved over the years from one of the worst to now much better than Russia's.
In the meantime, Russia's Corruption Index has remained about the same and the USA has gotten worse by 10% in just the past few years.

So, here is what Bing AI gave me for answers:

"I found a few news articles that report on Ukrainian officials who have been fired or arrested for corruption.
Here are some of the most recent ones:
1. "According to a report by PBS NewsHour, several senior Ukrainian officials, including five front-line governors, lost their jobs in January 2023 in a corruption scandal plaguing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government as it grapples with the nearly 11-month-old Russian invasion 1.

2. "In August 2023, more than 30 Ukrainian conscription officials accused of taking bribes and smuggling people out of the country were sacked in an anti-corruption purge 2.
   (this might possibly be where some of the insane anger against Denys Davydov comes from).

3. "The Guardian reported that President Volodymyr Zelenskiy recently sacked Oleksii Reznikov as defence minister.
   There are also numerous court cases against various defence ministry officials.
   Separately, one of Ukraine’s most notorious oligarchs, Ihor Kolomoisky, has been arrested on suspicion of fraud and money laundering, and is in pre-trial detention 3.

4. "CNN reported that President Volodymyr Zelensky has fired a slew of senior Ukrainian officials amid a growing corruption scandal linked to the procurement of war-time supplies, in the biggest shakeup of his government since Russia’s invasion began 4.

   Please note that this is not an exhaustive list and there may be other officials who have been fired or arrested for corruption in Ukraine."

Sadly, from my perspective, nobody in Ukraine is more corrupt than our own home-grown Democrats, beginning at the very top, or more in need of spending quality time behind bars contemplating the negative consequences from living a life of organized political crime.

[BroJoeK]

Reno89519: "Well, it’s very simple to me."

That's because your brain has been fried in Russian propaganda and now you can't think straight anymore.

Reno89519: " Ukraine was never really an independent country, it’s been part of the Soviet Union for 70+ years and parts of other countries prior to that."

By my count, there are 15 countries which spun off from the Old Soviet Union, three of which are already NATO members and many more of which want to join:

1. Armenia (seeking NATO membership since circa 2002)
2. Azerbaijan
3. Belarus
4. Estonia (NATO since 2004)
5. Georgia (seeking NATO membership since 2002)
6. Kazakhstan
7. Kyrgyzstan
8. Latvia (NATO since 2004)
9. Lithuania (NATO since 2004)
10. Moldova
11. Russia
12. Tajikistan
13. Turkmenistan
14. Ukraine (requested NATO membership after 2014 invasion)
15. Uzbekistan

In addition, there are half a dozen other countries formerly ruled over by the Old Soviet Union which are now, understandably, staunch NATO members:

1. Romainia
2. Slovakia
3. Czech Republic
4. Poland
5. Bulgaria
6. Hungary

There is also another list of countries less under the Soviet Union's jack-boots, but still eager to find protection within NATO.
North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, Croatia & Slovenia, not to mention now Finland & Sweden.

Reno89519: "Well, they were given independence, it never took, half their citizens wanted to rejoin Russia at one time or another, and yes, it fell back into a Civil War. "

Nonsense because no Ukrainian Oblast ever freely voted to join with Russia, and any Ukrainian who wanted to live under Russian rule was always free to move to Russia.
What's certain is that Ukraine's sovereign territories were recognized both internationally and by Russia itself many times, going back to Crimea in the 1950s.

That makes Russia's invasions of 2014 and 2022 both 100% illegal and inexcusable in the eyes of anyone not blinded from drinking the Russian propaganda Kool-Aid.

Reno89519: "The US would’ve encountered the same thing and our citizens wanted to re-join England after independence, but we didn’t."

It seems you've forgotten about the War of 1812, when the Brits did attempt to restore their own sovereignty or influence over at least some of the United States -- to include burning down Washington, DC!!
It didn't work and similar efforts by Russia in Ukraine will also not work.

Reno89519: "But I’ll give you credit, you and Reverend whatever have a lot of talking points collected ready to throw out whenever the opportunity arises.
I hope you’re well paid for it."

Nobody I know of is paid here, but how crazy would you have to be to post Russian propaganda lies over and over without being paid for your efforts?

[JonPreston]

I can think of more Ukrainians big wigs arrested or fired for corruption that Russians and American leaders combined.

Silly Neocon, doing that George Bush fuzzy math again. The same nonsense Mayorkas and Biden try to push past sleepy American dolts.

More illegals apprehended at the border is an indication of a much bigger illegal problem. It doesn't mean our border crisis is resolved. Likewise, more "Ukrainians big wigs arrested or fired for corruption" actually means there is still a much larger number of corrupt actors at play. Unless you believe that Zelensky is actually Churchill-like and has the endemic, decades long, theft and corruption (the same problem CIA director William Burns has addressed with Zelensky personally) under control.