Posted on 11/15/2023 4:22:28 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Update from Ukraine | Ukraine Continue to Push the Ruzzian Army on the South | Verbove is next
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Well, it’s very simple to me. Ukraine was never really an independent country, it’s been part of the Soviet Union for 70+ years and parts of other countries prior to that. Well, they were given independence, it never took, half their citizens wanted to rejoin Russia at one time or another, and yes, it fell back into a Civil War. The US would’ve encountered the same thing and our citizens wanted to re-join England after independence, but we didn’t. But I’ll give you credit, you and Reverend whatever have a lot of talking points collected ready to throw out whenever the opportunity arises. I hope you’re well paid for it.
“Do you like being wrong consistently?”
Correct! Good catch.
He thinks if he just tells the same lie often enough... someone might believe him!
As I was reading the very detailed and well written piece at Comment #78, I began to wonder about what was really happening in Ukraine during this March/April expression of hope and optimism for a quick peace between Ukraine and Russia. First of all was the BIG problem that settlement included leaving Russia with Crimea, and Ukraine with the problem of supplying Crimea with water from the Dnieper River (from the dam ultimately destroyed by Russia in their stupid attempt to flood the marshes east of Kherson). I looked for independent news articles regarding conditions in Ukraine during the March/April 2022 period of hope and optimism in the West and among Ukraine’s leaders. I chose the link below written by on the spot AlJazeera journalists at that time. I figured Aljazeera would not have the same biases as Western or Russian writers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/6/21/inside-ukraine-war-crimes-investigations
This article covers the tragedy of one Bucha family which began on March 11, 2022. By this time bodies were already littering the town’s streets. The family wife disappeared while seeking water and medicine. Husbands were staying home because Ukraine men were already being picked up by Russia soldiers and being beaten and tortured. About 2 weeks later the family was told to come get the woman’s body at a collection point where many other bodies were gathered. Read the whole story to get the full picture of what she and others were forced to suffer in March 2022 before their murder.
By early April the West must have been coming aware of the true situation in occupied Ukraine. If a decision was made by NAtO countries and Ukraine that a just peace was impossible to achieve with blatant war criminals, it was an honest and well reasoned decision and agreement between NATO and other Western countries with Ukraine that a just peace was impossible to negotiate with such a lying mass of monsters. It was not a sign of NATO dishonesty. It was a true sign of just how horrible and evil this Russian/Putin invasion really was. Good decision NATO and Ukraine!! Shame on those in the US government refusing to continue help that is only costing about 5% of our US military budget to nip such horrible aggression in the bud. Not only are we preserving Western civilization and Ukraine, but if our help stops this war, Putin will no longer be able to send his non-Russian citizen/victims off to be slaughtered in his ego driven NON-war. China will also see we do not put up with such wanton and viscious aggression. Two very good ultimate results.
China 🇨🇳 will own America shortly and for many a collapse of this corrupt government can’t come soon enough. Buckle up, granny 👍🤣
I too was disturbed by what I read in comment 78 about the actions of NATO and the West with regard to the March/April 2022 peace negotions. If you have an honest bone in your body, you need to read the article I linked in comment #164. I tried to find a disinterested journalistic comment regarding what whas happening in Ukraine while the negotiators were safely working on the proposal outside of wartorn Ukraine. I thought Aljazeera was a reasonably neutral source, and I hope you will read their whole article. Compare dates of their facts on the ground with the dates reported in Comment #78 for a more realistic picture of influences on the final non-results.
Hi caww...I just came back to this thread today to tell you I thought this was a well done post (and to bookmark it!). Thanks!
Yep! Thanks.
Is it snowing already from the communist era block in St Petersburg?
Poland stopping military aid to Ukraine is “a sovereign decision,” Pentagon says
Well, first, it's obvious where your loyalties and affections lie, perhaps not so surprising considering how treasonous US public education can be these days.
Second, your word "neo-con" is out of place and meaningless in this context.
The key fact about "neo-cons" is that they began life as Democrats, "who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests."
I've never been a Democrat, never voted for a Democrat, have always voted as conservatively as possible.
Fair to say, I was conservative before you were born, FRiend.
When I was a boy, "Mr. Conservative" was Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, and he remains the definition of conservative in my book:
That is conservatism as I've always understood it, and has nothing to do with Democrat "neo-cons".
As for Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov, he is, of course, entitled to his own opinions, but the fact remains his forecast of the "Death of the West" is still highly premature.
This reminds me of Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate of Mordor:
"Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers.
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.
A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.
An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day!
This day we fight!
By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"
Typical moderate Republican, as you are
~2,000,000 total carrying arms.
~3,150,000 total Russian Armed forces.
Russian manpower losses average over 500 per day, and on major "Meat Wave" assault days top 1,000 per day.
Ukrainian losses run from half to a third those numbers.
Those are the best numbers I can find, and I doubt if you can find any more realistic.
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Sadly, you have no clue what you're saying.
Here's the truth of this matter:
Since 1991 Ukrainians have been vastly more devoted to their own constitutional democratic (small-d) processes than Vlad the Invader's Russia could ever even imagine.
Russians have suffered under Vlad the Invader's dictatorial rule since 1999 and single party rule since 2003.
In that same time period, Ukraines have constitutionally elected six Presidents from different parties and seven parliaments with different majorities.
Only one Ukrainian president was ever reelected.
Within their constitutional framework, Ukrainians have undergone two major revolutions -- the Orange Revolt in 2004 and the Maidan Revolution of Dignity in 2014.
Both were protests against corrupt Ukrainian leaders and that theme came up again in the 2019 election of Volodymyr Zelenskyy's "Servant of the People" party.
So I don't know what Russian propaganda nonsense you've been reading, but in fact, there's no comparison of corrupt Russia to constitutional Ukraine.
Whatever you say, Mr. Soros.
How is the money laundering operation going?
Without even looking it up, I can think of more Ukrainians big wigs arrested or fired for corruption that Russians and American leaders combined.
That's why Ukraine's objective "Corruption Index" has steadily improved over the years from one of the worst to now much better than Russia's.
In the meantime, Russia's Corruption Index has remained about the same and the USA has gotten worse by 10% in just the past few years.
So, here is what Bing AI gave me for answers:
Please note that this is not an exhaustive list and there may be other officials who have been fired or arrested for corruption in Ukraine."
That's because your brain has been fried in Russian propaganda and now you can't think straight anymore.
Reno89519: " Ukraine was never really an independent country, it’s been part of the Soviet Union for 70+ years and parts of other countries prior to that."
By my count, there are 15 countries which spun off from the Old Soviet Union, three of which are already NATO members and many more of which want to join:
Reno89519: "Well, they were given independence, it never took, half their citizens wanted to rejoin Russia at one time or another, and yes, it fell back into a Civil War. "
Nonsense because no Ukrainian Oblast ever freely voted to join with Russia, and any Ukrainian who wanted to live under Russian rule was always free to move to Russia.
What's certain is that Ukraine's sovereign territories were recognized both internationally and by Russia itself many times, going back to Crimea in the 1950s.
That makes Russia's invasions of 2014 and 2022 both 100% illegal and inexcusable in the eyes of anyone not blinded from drinking the Russian propaganda Kool-Aid.
Reno89519: "The US would’ve encountered the same thing and our citizens wanted to re-join England after independence, but we didn’t."
It seems you've forgotten about the War of 1812, when the Brits did attempt to restore their own sovereignty or influence over at least some of the United States -- to include burning down Washington, DC!!
It didn't work and similar efforts by Russia in Ukraine will also not work.
Reno89519: "But I’ll give you credit, you and Reverend whatever have a lot of talking points collected ready to throw out whenever the opportunity arises.
I hope you’re well paid for it."
Nobody I know of is paid here, but how crazy would you have to be to post Russian propaganda lies over and over without being paid for your efforts?
Silly Neocon, doing that George Bush fuzzy math again. The same nonsense Mayorkas and Biden try to push past sleepy American dolts.
More illegals apprehended at the border is an indication of a much bigger illegal problem. It doesn't mean our border crisis is resolved. Likewise, more "Ukrainians big wigs arrested or fired for corruption" actually means there is still a much larger number of corrupt actors at play. Unless you believe that Zelensky is actually Churchill-like and has the endemic, decades long, theft and corruption (the same problem CIA director William Burns has addressed with Zelensky personally) under control.
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