All fantasies and lies, nearly all the time. Ca-ching! Ca-ching! Slavo U Crayknee!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted on 11/04/2023 7:30:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
ARTICLE
The Russian Defense Ministry has said that a ship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, located at a shipyard in Kerch, “has been damaged”.
SOURCE: Russian Defence Ministry
DETAILS:
Russian propagandists claim that Ukraine fired 15 cruise missiles on the Butoma Shipyard in Kerch.
The invaders’ air defense allegedly shot down 13 of the cruise missiles, and one missile “damaged the ship”.
For half a day prior to that, the Crimean occupiers had been claiming that “some of the debris from the downed missiles fell on the area of one of the dry docks”.
BACKGROUND:
• Explosions were heard and an air-raid warning was issued in Russian-occupied Crimea on 4 November.
• Later, it became known that Air Force pilots had launched successful strikes on Kerch, likely sinking one of the most modern ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, a Kalibr cruise missile carrier.
• Shipbuilding and repair plants in temporarily occupied Crimea which serve the Russian army and are part of the Russian military-industrial complex are legitimate targets for the Ukrainian Defense Forces
“As usual ‘peace-niks’ are late to the game:
1. Zelenskyy lays out 10-point peace plan for Ukraine at G20, including withdrawal of Russian troops and ‘all for all’ prisoner swap
Sophia Ankel
Nov 15, 2022, 5:40 AM EST
https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-proposes-10-point-peace-plan-ukraine-g20-bali-summit-2022-11?op=1
2. Explainer: What is Zelenskiy’s 10-point peace plan?
Reuters
December 28, 20222:34 AM EST Updated 10 months ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-zelenskiys-10-point-peace-plan-2022-12-28/
3. Zelenskyy says peace will become ‘closer’ as he makes dramatic visit to Japan for G7 summit
May 20, 2023
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-g7-summit-hiroshima-japan-biden-f16-jets-rcna85398
4. Ukraine to rally support at Malta talks, sees no cracks in allied backing
By Tom Balmforth
October 27, 20238:01 AM EDT Updated 9 days ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-rally-support-malta-talks-sees-no-cracks-allied-backing-2023-10-27/
5. Malta expects more than 50 countries for THIRD round of Ukraine peace talks
By Alexandra Brzozowski and Aurélie Pugnet
Oct 28, 2023 (updated: Oct 30, 2023)
https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/malta-expects-more-than-50-countries-for-third-round-of-ukraine-peace-talks/
COMMENT #43 ‘PEACE’ ADDENDUM”
6. Possibility of holding inaugural GLOBAL PEACE SUMMIT discussed during Peace Formula meeting in Malta
Story by European Pravda
https://news.yahoo.com/possibility-holding-inaugural-global-peace-170318421.html
7. Malta discusses founding global peace summit
Sunday, October 29, 2023, 18:30
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/news/2023/10/29/7172429/
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/search/?search=Malta%20discusses%20founding%20global%20peace%20summit
Talk about you’re late to the game, where were you when DC quashed the initialed settlement between Zelensky and Russia in the spring of ‘22? The blood of the roughly 400,000 innocent, slaughtered Ukrainian boys murdered since then is on the hands of the DC warmongering globalists, neocons and their hinterland stooges who are all responsible for the continuance of the war since that nefarious deed.
“There’s no path to victory for Ukraine, it’s over. OK?”
Sure there is. That’s why they want NATO (us, the USA) to get in.
All fantasies and lies, nearly all the time. Ca-ching! Ca-ching! Slavo U Crayknee!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$
You are a fool if you believe a word from CNN or Time Magazine.
Both are loathsome creatures of darkness and lies.
The truth is, there are several definitions of victory for Ukraine, and each definition has paths to get there.
Zelenskyy's definitions of victory are focused on Crimea, and in that Ukraine is largely victorious, having rendered Crimea unusable to the Russian navy, which was Vlad the Invader's single biggest justification for seizing Crimea in 2014 -- he claimed he needed the naval base at Sevastopol, and now he can't use it.
By another definition of victory, Ukraine already won in the first few weeks of war -- there will never again be a Russian dominated Ukraine, Ukraine is now permanently independent of Russia and firmly allied with Europe and NATO.
What's at issue today is the exact borders of independent Ukraine.
Extremely Extreme Extremist to UMCRevMom@aol.com: "Maybe you should stop hitting the boxed Franzia wine and get the real news."
If you had any serious argument to make here, you wouldn't be blasting away with ridiculous personal insults.
New Russian navy missile corvette type -- Askold, at Kersh naval yard, Crimea, reportedly hit by Ukrainian missiles November 4, 2023:
From the man who is reportedly the richest man on earth, not bad on a civil servants pay
Of course politicians are corrupt, or at the very least take advantage of their positions to enrich themselves.
Putin and his oligarchy friends certainly take the gold medal, but the US in particular have some serious contender starting with xiden.
Reminds me of arguments I had back in the. 80s with leftists on campus who argued that our system was unfair because 3% controlled 90% of wealth….
Could have argued about wealth is not all liquid, they take the risks, someone owns the factory but that would have been pointless, usually is anyways, but I would generally say something like Well I guess you prefer.5% controlling 99% like in China and Soviet Union
Even then the response would be racist, nazi, facist(funnier when you realize that Soviet Union and China were textbook definitions of facist economies), but it was fun anyways
Like being sober at a party and watching all the drunks do their thing
Can be funny, like Russia is a democracy, savior of Christianity, being restrained, and liberators for their brothers in “Ukraine”
Comedy only works when there is some truth in it
I would say starting with carving up poland with Nazi germany and then decades of brutal rule by soviets created this “enemy” of Russia
Ole medved hitting the sauce again
But sadly his psyche is not really at odds with IWI, many Russians.
Russian historical context generally starts at the point the Germans invaded in 1941
Not that they would have, but imagine if the soviets had genuinely came to the aid of poles instead of on the same side as Nazi germany, but shush it was a “SMO “
Zelenskyy aide on corruption in Ukraine: 'People are stealing like there's no tomorrow' Fox News, 20 October 2023Investigation of Corruption in Energy Sector is a Top Priority Kyiv Post, 27 September 2023
Ukraine Detains Official Who Helped Men Flee Draft Kyiv Post, 22 August 2023
"Any Hint" of Corruption "Unacceptable": interview for Kyiv Post NAFTO GAZ, 17 October 2023
Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides Reuters, 19 September 2023
How much progress has Ukraine's government made against corruption? NPR, 10 October 2023
'Ukrainians understand corruption can kill': Kyiv takes on an old enemy Guardian UK, 19 September 2023
Leaked U.S. strategy on Ukraine sees corruption as the real threat Politico EU, 19 September 2023
Ukraine uncovers corruption scheme implicating top officials Politico EU, 25 August 2023
Is Ukraine really interested in fighting corruption? Economist, 4 September 2023
US increases pressure on Ukraine to do more to counter corruption CNN, 3 October 2023
Battling corruption in Ukraine Financial Times, 30 September 2023
Ukraine struggles to curb corruption in its military Deutsche Welle, 17 August 2023
Corruption Is an Existential Threat to Ukraine, and Ukrainians Know It New York Times, 10 September 2023
Discontent grows over wartime corruption in Ukraine EuroNews, 8 September 2023
Corruption scandals continue to sweep Ukraine's government TIME, 13 January 2023
"In one poll, 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption."
Zelenskyy fires recruitment officials for accepting $10,000 bribes. Almost all Ukrainians think the country has a problem with corruption, survey suggests. Business Insider, 13 August 2023
"The majority of Ukrainians believe that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is directly responsible for dealing with corruption in the government and in military administrations."
Almost 80% of Ukrainians consider Zelenskyy responsible for dealing with corruption in government and military administrations Pravda UA, 11 September 2023
The US demands anti-corruption measures from Ukraine in exchange for economic aid EL PAÍS USA Edition, 26 September 2023
Putting Ukraine's corruption problem in context The Hill, 18 September 2023
Corruption in Ukraine: can crackdown on military change the course of conflict? FRANCE 24, 5 September 2023
Ukraine's anti-graft police zero in on major wartime corruption Japan Times, 22 August 2023
'I was afraid of it': the Ukrainians dodging conscription and fleeing the country EuroNews with Agence France Presse, 1 September 2023
American Polls shown most Americans do not support American Tax Dollars
and Weapons being sent to Corrupt Ukraine. Big Turnaround from a year ago.
I know of four sources repeating this story, all of them Russian or pro-Russian:
Kremlin deputy chief of staff Dmitry Kozak, Putin’s chief envoy on Ukraine, was said to have secured a deal guaranteeing that Ukraine would not join NATO — a key Russian demand prior to its full-scale invasion of its pro-Western neighbor.
According to Reuters, Putin made clear that Kozak’s deal with an unspecified number of Ukrainian concessions did not go far enough.
Putin reportedly “expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory,” Reuters reported.
“Everything was canceled.
Putin simply changed the plan as he went along,” one of Reuters’ sources was quoted as saying."
Indeed, if anything, the Biden administration was eager to provide Zelenskyy with "a ride" out of Ukraine, which he rejected, asking for anti-tank ammunition instead.
Bottom line: for many years I negotiated often difficult agreements and sometimes told the other party I had to discuss it with my boss, which was true, but my boss almost always accepted my recommendations.
The real purpose was to give me time to think over and talk over proposals before finally accepting, rejecting or modifying them.
Then, if I wanted to stay on good terms, I'd sometimes say I liked their proposal, but my boss wouldn't go along with it.
So, if there's any truth to this story at all, which I doubt, something like that has to be the basis of it.
They're the Left's mouthpieces though. If they're reporting this, it's over. Usually, they would bury this or try to spin it.
The truth is, there are several definitions of victory for Ukraine, and each definition has paths to get there.
The truth is, Ukraine has no path to victory. Which is why the fake Biden administration is gently off-ramping and switching to Israel.
Zelenskyy's definitions of victory are focused on Crimea, and in that Ukraine is largely victorious, having rendered Crimea unusable to the Russian navy, which was Vlad the Invader's single biggest justification for seizing Crimea in 2014 -- he claimed he needed the naval base at Sevastopol, and now he can't use it.
Russia has the upper-hand in any negotiations, so your scenario isn't valid. And trust me, there WILL be negotiations.
By another definition of victory, Ukraine already won in the first few weeks of war
ROFL
-- there will never again be a Russian dominated Ukraine, Ukraine is now permanently independent of Russia and firmly allied with Europe and NATO.
Firmly allied with the WEF, EU, and the Globalists. Not a good trade-off.
If you had any serious argument to make here, you wouldn't be blasting away with ridiculous personal insults.
Oh come on, we're all adults here. Insults and sarcasm has always been the hallmark of FR.
This fake news story originated with Time Magazine Russian agent Simon Shuster.
The man Shuster claimed is a "Zelenskyy aide" is actually a lower-level apparatchik who has now fled Ukraine and is running for election as Ukraine's president in opposition to Zelenskyy.
Typical of Time Magazine, the story is a political hit job on Zelenskyy, nothing more.
Worldtraveler once upon a time: "Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides Reuters, 19 September 2023"
Articles on Ukrainian corruption could well be legitimate, and demonstrate that, unlike Russia or the USA, Ukrainians are waging literal war against their own corrupt officials.
This is the AI result of my bing query:
The latest news article from US News reports that Congress has already approved $113 billion for Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022, but Biden’s $24 billion request for more funds in August never moved ahead.
The White House has said it has less than $5.5 billion in funds to continue transferring weapons from U.S. stockpiles to Ukrainian forces fighting Russia2.
I hope this information helps."
You might be right, see my post #57 above.
It is the nature of Democrats to rush into foreign wars, most often with no plan for victory, and then to run away in defeat whenever the going gets tough and, most critically, when Democrats can blame Republicans for their own misconduct.
As I understand the words from new Speaker Mike Johnson, there will be another aid package for Ukraine, at some point, likely tied with more border security funding.
Extremely Extreme Extremist: "The truth is, Ukraine has no path to victory.
Which is why the fake Biden administration is gently off-ramping and switching to Israel."
No, all depends on your definition of "victory".
By one definition -- defeating Vlad the Invader's wet dreams of conquering all of Ukraine -- Ukraine won that battle in early 2022.
By another definition -- Ukraine joining the EU and NATO -- those also seem eventually certain now.
But what might happen in Crimea and the Donbas is still to be determined, and how many Russian casualties Vlad the Invader's government can withstand is anybody's guess now.
Victory, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder, FRiend.
Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Russia has the upper-hand in any negotiations, so your scenario isn't valid.
And trust me, there WILL be negotiations."
I think you can be 100% certain there will be no negotiations until Russians are willing to give up something important in exchange for permanent peace.
More likely, we will end up with a situation as in Korea, now 70+ years later, still no formal peace treaty, only a "temporary" cease fire & armistice.
Russia will become, if it not already is, the new North Korea.
Vlad the Invader will become Little Kim's comrade-brother under CCP's Xi-snake domination.
Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Firmly allied with the WEF, EU, and the Globalists.
Not a good trade-off."
Ukrainians will be vastly better off firmly allied with the EU and NATO than under domination by "mother Russia".
If there was even the slightest doubt about that in, say, 2014, those doubts are today 100% gone from the minds of all Ukrainians.
Or at least that's my understanding.
Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Oh come on, we're all adults here.
Insults and sarcasm has always been the hallmark of FR."
Then you should explain that to some of the snowflake posters on your side of the arguments, those who are ever so quick to take offense at any alleged "microaggression", or "harassment".
I'd say that "clever repartee" is one thing, while ridiculous insults as substitutes for valid arguments simply expose the weakness of your own positions.
--- "Typical of Time Magazine, the story is a political hit job on Zelenskyy, nothing more."
--- "Typical of Time Magazine, the story is a political hit job on Zelenskyy, nothing more."
--- "Typical of Time Magazine, the story is a political hit job on Zelenskyy, nothing more."
And -- yes -- people try to have things "both ways." Typical.
See my posts above -- by their natures, Democrats are quick to jump into wars, often without a plan for victory, and then soon enough run away in defeat as the going gets tough and they can somehow blame Republicans for their own misconduct.
Time Magazine is a typical Democrat organ.
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