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To: BroJoeK
You are a fool if you believe a word from CNN or Time Magazine. Both are loathsome creatures of darkness and lies.

They're the Left's mouthpieces though. If they're reporting this, it's over. Usually, they would bury this or try to spin it.

The truth is, there are several definitions of victory for Ukraine, and each definition has paths to get there.

The truth is, Ukraine has no path to victory. Which is why the fake Biden administration is gently off-ramping and switching to Israel.

Zelenskyy's definitions of victory are focused on Crimea, and in that Ukraine is largely victorious, having rendered Crimea unusable to the Russian navy, which was Vlad the Invader's single biggest justification for seizing Crimea in 2014 -- he claimed he needed the naval base at Sevastopol, and now he can't use it.

Russia has the upper-hand in any negotiations, so your scenario isn't valid. And trust me, there WILL be negotiations.

By another definition of victory, Ukraine already won in the first few weeks of war

ROFL

-- there will never again be a Russian dominated Ukraine, Ukraine is now permanently independent of Russia and firmly allied with Europe and NATO.

Firmly allied with the WEF, EU, and the Globalists. Not a good trade-off.

If you had any serious argument to make here, you wouldn't be blasting away with ridiculous personal insults.

Oh come on, we're all adults here. Insults and sarcasm has always been the hallmark of FR.

55 posted on 11/05/2023 6:17:19 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin
Extremely Extreme Extremist: "They're the Left's mouthpieces though.
If they're reporting this, it's over.
Usually, they would bury this or try to spin it."

You might be right, see my post #57 above.

It is the nature of Democrats to rush into foreign wars, most often with no plan for victory, and then to run away in defeat whenever the going gets tough and, most critically, when Democrats can blame Republicans for their own misconduct.

As I understand the words from new Speaker Mike Johnson, there will be another aid package for Ukraine, at some point, likely tied with more border security funding.

Extremely Extreme Extremist: "The truth is, Ukraine has no path to victory.
Which is why the fake Biden administration is gently off-ramping and switching to Israel."

No, all depends on your definition of "victory".
By one definition -- defeating Vlad the Invader's wet dreams of conquering all of Ukraine -- Ukraine won that battle in early 2022.
By another definition -- Ukraine joining the EU and NATO -- those also seem eventually certain now.

But what might happen in Crimea and the Donbas is still to be determined, and how many Russian casualties Vlad the Invader's government can withstand is anybody's guess now.

Victory, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder, FRiend.

Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Russia has the upper-hand in any negotiations, so your scenario isn't valid.
And trust me, there WILL be negotiations."

I think you can be 100% certain there will be no negotiations until Russians are willing to give up something important in exchange for permanent peace.

More likely, we will end up with a situation as in Korea, now 70+ years later, still no formal peace treaty, only a "temporary" cease fire & armistice.
Russia will become, if it not already is, the new North Korea.
Vlad the Invader will become Little Kim's comrade-brother under CCP's Xi-snake domination.

Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Firmly allied with the WEF, EU, and the Globalists.
Not a good trade-off."

Ukrainians will be vastly better off firmly allied with the EU and NATO than under domination by "mother Russia".
If there was even the slightest doubt about that in, say, 2014, those doubts are today 100% gone from the minds of all Ukrainians.

Or at least that's my understanding.

Extremely Extreme Extremist: "Oh come on, we're all adults here.
Insults and sarcasm has always been the hallmark of FR."

Then you should explain that to some of the snowflake posters on your side of the arguments, those who are ever so quick to take offense at any alleged "microaggression", or "harassment".

I'd say that "clever repartee" is one thing, while ridiculous insults as substitutes for valid arguments simply expose the weakness of your own positions.

58 posted on 11/06/2023 5:17:06 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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