Talk about you’re late to the game, where were you when DC quashed the initialed settlement between Zelensky and Russia in the spring of ‘22? The blood of the roughly 400,000 innocent, slaughtered Ukrainian boys murdered since then is on the hands of the DC warmongering globalists, neocons and their hinterland stooges who are all responsible for the continuance of the war since that nefarious deed.
hardspunned:
"Talk about you’re late to the game, where were you when DC quashed the initialed settlement between Zelensky and Russia in the spring of ‘22?
The blood of the roughly 400,000 innocent, slaughtered Ukrainian boys murdered since then is on the hands of the DC warmongering globalists, neocons and their hinterland stooges who are all responsible for the continuance of the war since that nefarious deed." I know of four sources repeating this story, all of them Russian or pro-Russian:
- Vlad the Invader himself, in June 2023, claimed an agreement was reached in Turkey in March 2022.
"Putin made his first public remarks on the deal during a press conference taking questions from war correspondents at the Kremlin on June 13, 2023.
He also confirmed that a peace deal had been tentatively agreed in March in Istanbul.
The deal would have seen Russia withdraw to its pre-war position in exchange for a Ukrainian promise to give up its Nato aspirations."
- "Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu told the local Turkish press that, because of the talks, “Turkey did not think that the Russia-Ukraine war would continue much longer.”
But, added, “There are countries within Nato who want the war to continue.”
“Following the Nato foreign ministers’ meeting,” he explained, “it was the impression that…there are those within the Nato member states that want the war to continue, let the war continue and Russia get weaker.”" - Israeli "far right" prime minister Naftali Bennett, " said in 2023 that both sides had wanted a ceasefire, the odds of the deal holding had been 50-50, and that the Western powers backing Ukraine had blocked the deal.[26]
Later he expressed doubts regarding the desirability of such a deal.[27]" - Former German Chancellor Gehard Schroeder, "...in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21, [2023].
'At the peace negotiations in Istanbul in March 2022 with [the now Defence Minister of Ukraine] Rustem Umerov, the Ukrainians did not agree on peace because they were not allowed to.
For everything they discussed, they first had to ask the Americans,” Schroeder told the German newspaper."
First of all, notice that only Schroeder himself -- today a paid Russian agent -- points directly at
"the Americans".
Second, all of these
2023 stories sound very suspicious when we read this report from the Moscow Times, dated September 22,
2022, over a year ago:
" Russian President Vladimir Putin had rejected a potential deal with Ukraine offered by his key envoy in the early days of the invasion as he “expanded” his goals to include annexing more territory, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing three unnamed sources close to Russia's leadership. Kremlin deputy chief of staff Dmitry Kozak, Putin’s chief envoy on Ukraine, was said to have secured a deal guaranteeing that Ukraine would not join NATO — a key Russian demand prior to its full-scale invasion of its pro-Western neighbor.
According to Reuters, Putin made clear that Kozak’s deal with an unspecified number of Ukrainian concessions did not go far enough.
Putin reportedly “expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory,” Reuters reported.
“Everything was canceled.
Putin simply changed the plan as he went along,” one of Reuters’ sources was quoted as saying."
So, in 2022 it was Vlad the Invader who rejected a proposed peace deal but now suddenly, in 2023, it wasn't Putin, it was Zelenskyy who turned it down, and it wasn't even Zelenskyy, it was actually "the Americans"??
"The Kremlin denied the Reuters report’s authenticity, with spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling the British news agency that “No such thing ever happened.”
The report comes as Ukraine, riding on the success of a lightning counteroffensive in its northeast and south, has signaled no interest in new talks with Russia.
While Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said this week that Moscow does not oppose talks with Ukraine, ex-President Dmitry Medvedev called for “the total surrender of the Kyiv regime on Russia’s terms” in a social media post."
So, clearly, the truth is something like this:
- Neither side is interested in peace talks while they are winning on the battlefield.
- When they are losing, both sides claim the others negotiated in "bad faith".
- There is no confirmation from "the Americans" that we rejected a March 2022 peace agreement against Zelenskyy's wishes.
Indeed, if anything, the Biden administration was eager to provide Zelenskyy with "a ride" out of Ukraine, which he rejected, asking for anti-tank ammunition instead.
Bottom line: for many years I negotiated often difficult agreements and sometimes told the other party I had to discuss it with my boss, which was true, but my boss almost always accepted my recommendations.
The real purpose was to give me time to think over and talk over proposals before finally accepting, rejecting or modifying them.
Then, if I wanted to stay on good terms, I'd sometimes say I liked their proposal, but my boss wouldn't go along with it.
So, if there's any truth to this story at all, which I doubt, something like that has to be the basis of it.
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