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Is an AR-15 Sig Series 400 with 30-round clips of 5.56 NATO, better than a 12-gauge for home defense in the U.S. against the kinds of attacks we saw in Israel?
Sig Sauer ^ | October 12, 2023 | Self

Posted on 10/12/2023 7:32:51 AM PDT by 4Runner

Having an argument with the wife, she doesn't want to spend the extra money. Anywhere from $1,000 on up.


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To: SakoL61R

I have had a number of semi-auto shotguns jam with various loads. I tend to prefer the pump action ones, rarely an issue.


101 posted on 10/12/2023 8:10:55 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: nonliberal

An M14 isn’t bad either. Always liked the accuracy, reliability and knock down power of the 7.62mm NATO round out of an M14.


102 posted on 10/12/2023 8:11:21 AM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: Rinnwald

Do tell.


103 posted on 10/12/2023 8:11:24 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: 10mm

Now THAT looks interesting. 🤔


104 posted on 10/12/2023 8:12:48 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: axxmann

Imagine this: a bad guy is behind your wife with a knife to her throat but you can see his head.

This is an interesting dilemma. We talk about these scenarios at my gun club all the time. I would wait for an open shot. The bad guy is dead if he kills his human shield. If he dragged her while retreating I’d follow. Sooner or later the situation would be resolved. Not to mention even at 20 feet with an AR, you have to take into account the adrenalin and emotion that would interfere with a precise shot.


105 posted on 10/12/2023 8:13:44 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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To: Gaffer

Specific to the question: 556 hands down. Target rich environment, longer ranges, and the need to penetrate potentially (door, window, car window...).

You might not have the option of staying in place.

Today even many of the bad guys have body armor.

In normal home defense over penetration is a concern, but in a war zone you want that! I want to be able to shoot someone standing behind a door, I want to have the ability to penetrate some body armor, I want to be able to shoot someone in a car (effectively)...


106 posted on 10/12/2023 8:14:05 AM PDT by Red6
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To: No.6
If you practice and establish your pattern at several distances, then you can use a shotgun in a hostage situation, but there is risk, and sadly, most people dont practice with the shotgun like they would need to. As I said, which would you want if a perp has your kid?

WRT noise, I consider noise when practicing. One cant be concerned with noise if your life is at risk.

107 posted on 10/12/2023 8:14:31 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: BenLurkin

😂


108 posted on 10/12/2023 8:15:57 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: ansel12

The question is compound defence, a neighborhood unit, the portable carbine is definitive show of force that moves insane squads to greener pastures.

The shotgun with sporting clays trains the reflex of target acquisition and commitment. It is useful up close, it zaps the moral of next person in the doorway, but at the doorway things get bad quick.

The AR with steel plate trains killing the hoard moving to/away. With a sqad of AR shooters nothing less than a dozen can close the gap around a farm compound.

The 308, 300 and othe longer systems are to maintain the space between opfor and your lines. We heard of no successful in the long term from Hamas at holding anything. They were squads of children with carbines and a few RPGs.

The hand gun trains the last 5 seconds for the defender. If it gets to hand gun in the situation we saw, already lost as a defender vs a squad of children warriors. The shotgun extends that out by another 30 seconds.

Anyone with cover of their own house, an pattern rifle and 5 Mags in a pouch is an hour long problem at 5 bad guy to 1 good guy ratios.

The whole point is to make anyplace an easier place to be than your home while a war is breaking out. Drop someones battle buddy at the end of your driveway and it takes 35 minutes before they become effective again.

So kill at 400 yards or 100 yards and deal with PTSD for a lifetime... and commit to taking them out as they kill you at 20 yards and 10 yards. You might get very lucky up close, but unless you are just off of IDF specials missions you will not beat wacked out child army.

Where is Hamas footsoilders Mamma and Daddy? they raised some vile SOBs.


109 posted on 10/12/2023 8:16:29 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: DCBryan1
Oh....and put the shades down before you do or else neighbors could freak out.

Not me. Gonna sell tickets and provide popcorn for my neighbors... :-)

110 posted on 10/12/2023 8:16:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: 4Runner

Bookmark for when I get back home.


111 posted on 10/12/2023 8:17:26 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: Sirius Lee

Beautiful rifle but very hard to get one and they are VERY expensive.


112 posted on 10/12/2023 8:17:44 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: RetiredArmy

I would think that a 410/.45 Colt would be pretty close to ideal if you could get decent sized magazines for the shotgun, and speed loaders for the wheelgun.


113 posted on 10/12/2023 8:18:28 AM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn)
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To: axxmann

Tell the gunman go ahead you’re next


114 posted on 10/12/2023 8:19:08 AM PDT by al baby (I know its the way the measure the cooling capability )
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To: 4Runner

Argument with the wife? She should be telling you to get them all and stock up on ammo, too (that’s what I do)!


115 posted on 10/12/2023 8:19:27 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Ephesians 6:10 - 18)
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To: 4Runner
At two different times in my life, I have had a best friend who carried a sawed-off double barrel shotgun on a cord around their neck.

Get your wife one of these.


116 posted on 10/12/2023 8:19:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: The Antiyuppie

WHAT !!!!


117 posted on 10/12/2023 8:21:00 AM PDT by al baby (I know its the way the measure the cooling capability )
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To: 4Runner

Shotgun gets the vote if fewer than 6 intruders. More than that and the AR gets the nod, with Mama on backup with the scattergun.


118 posted on 10/12/2023 8:24:33 AM PDT by DNME (… all experience hath shewn … )
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To: axxmann

“Imagine this: a bad guy is behind your wife with a knife to her throat but you can see his head. You are 20 feet away in good cover.

Will you take that shot with a shotgun?”

This question requires actual facts for a good answer. If you have worked with your shotgun and load on a pattern board, you know the right answer. I have and in my case I will take the shot at 20 feet. Terrorist dead, wife untouched.

A person who has not done the work and is unfamiliar with his weapon should not take the shot.


119 posted on 10/12/2023 8:27:22 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: 4Runner

If you are going to use an AR-15 in 556 for home defense you might just as well use an RPG,


120 posted on 10/12/2023 8:28:35 AM PDT by Rappini ("No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation" MacArthr)
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