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Are Men Capable of Admiring Women?
The Grio ^ | Nov 30, 2022 | Touré

Posted on 12/02/2022 1:43:01 PM PST by nickcarraway

I saw a woman on TikTok say she can stump almost any man with one specific question. The question was “Name three women who you are not related to who you admire and want to be more like.” I immediately saw her point.

Misogyny generally blinds most men from seeing women as people they want to admire and, critically, to be like. So much of masculinity is about making sure we are not like women. We may love women, but we are taught to aspire to be like successful men. The qualities that most men respect in women are not the qualities that men are told to aspire to. Misogyny has also made it harder for women to be successful in many of the fields that many men look to for role models — sports, politics and business. There are all sorts of barriers that prevent women from succeeding at the same rate in these fields.

When I was a teenager, I mostly looked to athletics to find people to admire. We’re in a world where women’s sports are given far less attention and respect than men’s sports, but I grew up obsessed with tennis, perhaps the only major sport that has a professional women’s side that’s decades-old and robust. In pro tennis, every few months the men and women come together at the Grand Slam tournaments — Wimbledon, the French Open, the U.S. Open, the Australian Open — and play simultaneously. No other sport has men and women players as deeply engaged as tennis. And yet, in my young mind, my tennis idols were almost exclusively men. When I think back to the pictures I had on my wall as a kid, there were lots of photos of John McEnroe, Boris Becker, Arthur Ashe, Jimmy Connors, and Stefan Edberg, and maybe one photo of Martina Navratilova. Even in the culture of a sport where women were treated as equals, I still didn’t see many women I could look up to.

I have a problem with ‘Wakanda Forever’ Also Read: I have a problem with ‘Wakanda Forever’ Nowadays, there are women I admire, for sure. I have a list that I’ll get to, but as a way of making the question harder for myself, of trying to force myself to tell the truth, I asked myself how many autobiographies or biographies of women have you read? Damn. I read Audre Lorde’s “Zami,” which was searing and powerful, and of course, Maya Angelou’s “I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings,” but “Zami” was part of me teaching myself how to write a memoir and “Caged Bird” was assigned by a high school teacher.

I’ve also read “Seeing Serena,” a biography of Serena Williams by Gerald Marzorati, “Assata,” which is the autobiography of Black Panther Assata Shakur, and “A Taste of Power,” which is Elaine Brown’s memoir of her time in the Black Panther Party. I also loved Senator Elizabeth Warren’s autobiography “A Fighting Chance.” I haven’t yet read Michelle Obama’s “Becoming,” but I did attend an event where she discussed the book in front of a large crowd. I’ve gotten through several books about the lives of women, but the number of books I’ve read about the lives of men is much larger. That’s a bias in myself that I’m just now noticing.

I do genuinely admire and hope to be more like Serena Williams — I admire her toughness, determination, and strength. She is one of my favorite tennis players ever. I immensely respect Michelle Obama’s grace under pressure and her sense of decorum and morality — her idea that “when they go low, we go high” is seared into my mind. I think Oprah is the greatest interviewer alive and an extraordinarily talented communicator and broadcaster. It would be extraordinary to achieve even a fraction of her level of onscreen charisma. I think Toni Morrison is possibly the greatest writer of the previous century. I have studied her sentences closely to understand how they work. All of these women are role models who I aspire to be more like.

The legendary Debbie Allen is my guest on this week’s ‘Masters of the Game’ Also Read: The legendary Debbie Allen is my guest on this week’s ‘Masters of the Game’ Men have much to learn from women yet, in many cases, we’re letting misogyny and toxic masculinity block our chances to do that. There are so many things we need to take from women — we most definitely need to learn from the qualities that many women hold dear. We need to be more emotionally intelligent. We need to be better at expressing our feelings and articulating them. We can do better at nurturing others and being overt about our love. When I hear people complaining about the feminization of men, I pull my hair out because the comment is ridiculous, and besides, the whole conversation is backwards. The complainers are bemoaning that men are not like the way men used to be, but this is ultimately a defense of toxic masculinity. We should allow the feminization of men if it means men borrowing key traits from women that will help us be better people.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: definewoman; depends; feminism; genderdysphoria; homosexualagenda; lgbtq; men; metoo; mgtow; nonbinary; ntsa; redpill; toure; whichone; women
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To: nickcarraway

First off, she’s gotta be able to put a worm on a hook...


101 posted on 12/02/2022 11:22:56 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Womem don’t exist for men to admire. Not how we’re built.

No, men tend to admire how women are built.

TO answer the question -- admire, would like to interview.

Dorothy L. Sayers
Jayne Mansfield (supposedly an IQ of 163)
And in a class by herself, the Virgin Mary.

102 posted on 12/02/2022 11:38:56 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: freeandfreezing
Good point about Annie Oakley. Although most men may not immediately be able to name a woman they "want to be like" Ms. Oakley provides an excellent example

It appears you've gone #FullFag

103 posted on 12/03/2022 3:43:41 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: freeandfreezing
Who wouldn't want to be able to shoot like her?

Anne also had one and only one marriage, and remained loyal to him throughout their lives. She also started training programs and gun clubs so that women could learn to shoot. Her speech was always free of profanity.

She was a model citizen.

104 posted on 12/03/2022 5:13:52 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Secret Agent Man
Not how we’re built

Some men have transcended cave dwelling.

105 posted on 12/03/2022 5:15:00 AM PST by GingisK
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To: JonPreston; freeandfreezing
It appears you've gone #FullFag

Knuckle dragger.

106 posted on 12/03/2022 5:16:54 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

#FullCuck


107 posted on 12/03/2022 5:30:27 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
#FullCuck

Thanks for the correction. You're #FullCuck.

108 posted on 12/03/2022 6:17:06 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Sorry, in order to save our nation our men must begin to act like men, not JHS girls. Now go make me a sangwich.


109 posted on 12/03/2022 6:28:53 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
I am happy to see that you now actually converse rather than just sling insults like the liberals prefer.

I agree with you completely. Men do need to be men, completely devoid of feminine characteristics. That should not stop men from admiring the traits and talents of women. Of course, we are now talking about matters of intellect and skills rather than their feminine physical charms or behaviors.

I would love to be as smart as Madam Curie; but, it have no desire to adopt her feminine attributes. I would love to be as skilled with a rifle as Anne Oakly; but, I do not covet her feminine side. I do wish Americans honored their marriages as well as Annie did.

And so on.

See, there is more to conversations than insults.

110 posted on 12/03/2022 6:45:31 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Paul R.

Geeze only 3? My grandmother, my friend J-— and my friend L-—. Plus many of the famous ones mentioned on this thread.


111 posted on 12/03/2022 6:51:10 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: GingisK
See, there is more to conversations than insults.

I find this comment rich given in your first post to me this morning, #106, you called me a knuckle dragger. Have another cup of coffee, in fact make me one too.

112 posted on 12/03/2022 7:01:19 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
I find this comment rich given in your first post to me this morning, #106, you called me a knuckle dragger.

That was in response to you insulting another poster. You started the insult chain, I followed your example.

113 posted on 12/03/2022 7:15:29 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Do you spend a lot of your time jumping into FR squabbles? And now you’re wandering off into full blown virtue signaling? It’s no wonder you want to be Annie Oakley.


114 posted on 12/03/2022 7:38:50 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
Do you spend a lot of your time jumping into FR squabbles?

I was already in the thread having friendly exchanges with other people. Your first post (and only general post) in the thread was an insult to someone that was participating on meaningful and friendly terms. You came in to beat your chest, alpha-signaling.

Its no wonder you want to be Fred Flintstone.

115 posted on 12/03/2022 7:52:15 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

So you’re basically a forum cop? Knowing this place x 20 years I suspect you’ll need extra handcuffs. Go get em’ Annie!


116 posted on 12/03/2022 8:14:56 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
Sorry Jon, I didn't think that wanting to be able to shoot as well as one of the world's greatest female marksmen would arouse your gay fantasies.

You really should come out of the closet, following your true desires will make you feel better.

117 posted on 12/03/2022 9:07:09 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: JonPreston
Knowing this place x 20 years I suspect you’ll need extra handcuffs.

Is that your bondage kink coming out?

118 posted on 12/03/2022 9:09:33 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Varda

Not a female. Toure’ is a black male.


119 posted on 12/03/2022 10:08:23 AM PST by octex
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To: octex

My mistake. That leaves the same problem though. Libs don’t admire people who overcome the odds. Their worldview is based on things that even they don’t admire.


120 posted on 12/03/2022 10:34:49 AM PST by Varda
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