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EUV nodes will be for premium high-performance parts.

Most ICs will be produced using DUV processes for the indefinite future until the costs of EUV can be drastically reduced and throughput increased.

1 posted on 09/22/2022 5:15:24 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

Unless we have developed Star Wars holograms for common use, computers are pretty much topping out on anything that we need to do with them.


2 posted on 09/22/2022 5:17:45 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Some men want to see the world burn. It is they that want you to buy an electric car.)
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To: FarCenter

At my first job in semiconductors we used 2” wafers.


4 posted on 09/22/2022 5:24:10 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protectionbrA)
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To: FarCenter

Once chiplets are worked out for gaming GPUs the prices will stabilize and quit going through the roof.


7 posted on 09/22/2022 5:30:46 AM PDT by ChuckHam
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To: FarCenter

Quantum computing might not double the number of transistors, but at some point it might allow Moore’s law to catch up on power.


16 posted on 09/22/2022 5:58:01 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: FarCenter

Curious if this takes into consideration the cost of inflation and other cost increases due to global demand for materials, supply chain issues, and the whoke host of orger global issues?


17 posted on 09/22/2022 5:59:32 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: FarCenter

I can’t even figure out how to speed up my computer’s download rate.


23 posted on 09/22/2022 6:11:34 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: FarCenter

Asian guy who thinks he’s Michael Douglas circa 1998 looks past his nose at IBM Eagle.


30 posted on 09/22/2022 6:23:27 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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I’d say the biggest problem we have with computers these days is outrageously bloated and buggy code. MS-Windows has been a notorious example of that for a long time, but it’s also getting really bad in the Linux world as well for the past decade. I’m darn close to abandoning KDE for my desktop, since it has really become a bloated mess. I have an i9 CPU with 16 cores and 32GB of ram, and find it hard to believe how bad things have gotten.

I agree with the premise of the article that Moore’s Law is pretty much dead, until a major change is made to the architecture. The incremental improvements in hardware are nothing like we saw in years past. It would also be nice if programmers started taking SMP into acount when writing software. Seems like most of the time my CPUs are idle. Might have 1 or 2 threads actually using the CPU, but not as much as you’d think.


32 posted on 09/22/2022 6:59:09 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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Lately I have noticed almost zero improvement in performance in my buggy whips over time.

I mean, it's like the R&D has come to a crashing halt!

/lame attempt at humor

The time has come for a paradigm-shift.

Quantum dots?

Neutrino-based computing?

Regards,

33 posted on 09/22/2022 7:33:51 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Game cards!

Buy them! Trade them! Swap them! Steal them!

You can even wipe them! Like with a cloth!

35 posted on 09/22/2022 7:59:36 AM PDT by x
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To: FarCenter

Correct!
Without EUV AND careful planning of high speed circuits, Moore’s Law died after 14nm.


41 posted on 09/22/2022 10:00:01 AM PDT by Zathras
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My current project has a small team of AI/ML engineers. I spent an hour with a new team member yesterday determining the team's needs to integrate with the current platform. We're deployed on kubernetes with docker containers orchestrated by helm charts. Most pods are built with Java and Spring Boot. The AI/ML team needs pods running Python as most AI/ML uses Python libraries including package TensorFlow implementations. The TensorFlow needs access to GPU hardware. I have to develop templates to create a generic Python pod and arrange execution on a platform with GPU hardware. Most of the developers (myself included) have laptops with an nVidia board, so we can build/test code that uses the GPU. Deployment in production is the more significant challenge.
42 posted on 09/22/2022 10:20:08 AM PDT by Myrddin
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I know scale is up against where silicon bleeds and electrons can hop between traces, but there are other promising materials.

The size of individual silicon atoms (around 0.2nm) would be a hard physical limit (with circuits one atom wide), but its behaviour becomes unstable way before that because of electrons going down one wire and showing up on another at scales way above that. Electrons are weird.

Alternative semiconductors such as gallium nitride and silicon carbide cope much better at higher temperature so clock speeds can be pumped.

RISC chips also show promise to at least continue Moore for a while longer.

NVIDEA is close to the bleeding edge of chip fab (4nm) but given current tech and materials I am afraid they may be right. TMSC claims to be very close on a 1nm process and IBM has a 2nm process. These is just an order of magnitude from physical limits for silicon being 0.2nm and spooky behavior will show up way above that size, and implies the Moores law curve kinda like this: (just the shape, ignore the labels)


49 posted on 09/22/2022 12:37:11 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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Have you seen the graphics in the "metaverse"? Let's put it this way. I have games from 1998 that have better graphics.
52 posted on 09/22/2022 2:22:06 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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Heard that the ‘times of smaller semiconductors were done at 20nm’.

The 3d printing and so forth at 1nm will expand a lot more.


53 posted on 09/22/2022 3:03:51 PM PDT by Outflow
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JENSEN HUANG! LMAO! No wonder nVidia tried to produce chips in chinkland. My GOD, what are they thinking!! Get that a$$hole outta control!


54 posted on 09/22/2022 4:22:22 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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