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‘Moore’s Law’s dead,’ Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says in justifying gaming-card price hike
Market Watch ^

Posted on 09/22/2022 5:15:24 AM PDT by FarCenter

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To critics, Huang said he feels the higher price is justified, especially since the cutting-edge Lovelace architecture is necessary to support Nvidia’s expansion into the so-called metaverse.

“A 12-inch [silicon] wafer is a lot more expensive today than it was yesterday, and it’s not a little bit more expensive, it is a ton more expensive,” Huang said.

“Moore’s Law’s dead,” Huang said, referring to the standard that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every two years. “And the ability for Moore’s Law to deliver twice the performance at the same cost, or at the same performance, half the cost, every year and a half, is over. It’s completely over, and so the idea that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past.”

“Computing is a not a chip problem, it’s a software and chip problem,” Huang said.

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To: dfwgator; cuban leaf
How about music? Can you tell anymore if a song was from today or from say, 2005?

It depends upon the genre. "Rock" today sounds like "pop" from yesterday, and most "metal" today sound like trash (except for Mesuggah). Most instrumental, guitar driven rock today (no lyrics = no stupidity) is more dense and technical than yesterday, but is more powerful and brutal.

I go to Bandcamp to find new music. What the labels want me to think is good, sucks bigly. Bandcamp has a searchable front end where you can find quality, unsigned new music in whatever genre you want. In some way, it's a nod to what Zappa said in 1988:

Q: Do you think that's a reason why guitar is becoming less of a prominent instrument in pop today? Do you think other people are experiencing what you're experiencing?

FZ: Well, pop music is not the end of the world. There's a whole substructure of what they call pop music which is heavy metal, in which the guitar rules. And that's never going to change. That's a style that's probably going to be with us until hell freezes over, to use a rock and roll term. But if you're talking about Whitney Houston, that other kind of pop music, they try to keep those blasphemous elements out of it. There's nothing AOR or MOR about a fuzz-tone guitar. They try to make the orchestration on those songs as neutral and comfortable as possible. And I think the listening public is, to a certain extent, deceived by what is broadcast. Because what is broadcast is not necessarily an accurate indication of what people are writing or recording. Now, what usually goes on the radio is the most banal product that every record company can manage to put together. In the United States, radio truly is a cultural embarrassment. The only creative radio you can listen to is what they call shock radio, where people are talking and making things up. There's a little spark of creativity there. But most of the music that's broadcast is harmful to your mental health.

21 posted on 09/22/2022 6:06:33 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DoodleBob

Well Frank didn’t live to see the Internet and the impact of Spotify.

But I will say, the vast majority of what people listen to now on Spotify is the stuff that was recorded at least 15 years ago.


22 posted on 09/22/2022 6:10:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FarCenter

I can’t even figure out how to speed up my computer’s download rate.


23 posted on 09/22/2022 6:11:34 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: cuban leaf
We had very high energy prices in the 2000s - higher than now in some cases, and Moore's Law kept on chugging . Something else is going on now.
24 posted on 09/22/2022 6:11:46 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: dfwgator

Maybe not 2005, but songs were better in the 1960s through about 2000


25 posted on 09/22/2022 6:13:31 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: Fai Mao

I think by the late-80s everything became derivative, just rehash of stuff that had been done before.


26 posted on 09/22/2022 6:14:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DoodleBob

I like to visit record stores when I travel the country. I’ll always ask them if they have a local artist section. I found some amazing stuff that way. I found some pretty good stuff on vinyl me please too.


27 posted on 09/22/2022 6:17:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: DoodleBob

I was active yesterday and a thread on one of my HiFi sites talking about radio. The general consensus is that it’s dead. People get their new stuff by streaming. And I have to confess that that did work for me to a degree.

The weird thing is that what’s working for me a lot now is going to vinyl stations on YouTube where guys talk about new music they’ve discovered and picked up, and also guys that work at record stores. That last part is funny because that’s exactly what worked for me back in the early seventies. It’s how I discovered Genesis and Stomu Yamashita.


28 posted on 09/22/2022 6:19:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: dfwgator
“ I still use a 2010 Macbook, and it’s fine, performance wise.”

Same here. I put a SSD in mine and it works like the day I opened it up. It’s darn near bullet proof.
29 posted on 09/22/2022 6:20:29 AM PDT by The Louiswu (If your child requires validation from Chuck E. Cheese you have failed as a parent. )
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To: FarCenter

Asian guy who thinks he’s Michael Douglas circa 1998 looks past his nose at IBM Eagle.


30 posted on 09/22/2022 6:23:27 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: cuban leaf

If you haven’t heard of them, check out Flim and the BB’s.


31 posted on 09/22/2022 6:47:15 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: FarCenter

I’d say the biggest problem we have with computers these days is outrageously bloated and buggy code. MS-Windows has been a notorious example of that for a long time, but it’s also getting really bad in the Linux world as well for the past decade. I’m darn close to abandoning KDE for my desktop, since it has really become a bloated mess. I have an i9 CPU with 16 cores and 32GB of ram, and find it hard to believe how bad things have gotten.

I agree with the premise of the article that Moore’s Law is pretty much dead, until a major change is made to the architecture. The incremental improvements in hardware are nothing like we saw in years past. It would also be nice if programmers started taking SMP into acount when writing software. Seems like most of the time my CPUs are idle. Might have 1 or 2 threads actually using the CPU, but not as much as you’d think.


32 posted on 09/22/2022 6:59:09 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: FarCenter
Lately I have noticed almost zero improvement in performance in my buggy whips over time.

I mean, it's like the R&D has come to a crashing halt!

/lame attempt at humor

The time has come for a paradigm-shift.

Quantum dots?

Neutrino-based computing?

Regards,

33 posted on 09/22/2022 7:33:51 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: jurroppi1

I’ll give it a listen (seriously)

While we’re at it, check out “good rats” and their “live at last”. They never really made it past being a local phenomenon in the Long Island area. a shame because they have the chops and the original songs. And that live album sounds amazing. Sadly, it’s from the late 70’s (I believe).


34 posted on 09/22/2022 7:55:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: FarCenter
Game cards!

Buy them! Trade them! Swap them! Steal them!

You can even wipe them! Like with a cloth!

35 posted on 09/22/2022 7:59:36 AM PDT by x
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To: Jonty30
Unless we have developed Star Wars holograms for common use, computers are pretty much topping out on anything that we need to do with them.

Completely disagree. Two examples:

The latest iPhone has a 48 megapixel camera, 15 years ago the initial iPhone had a 2 megapixel camera and everyone thought the pictures were plenty "good enough". Improvements are going to just keep on coming. And the computing power needed to handle those pictures is increasing.

Secondly, computing power has increased enough that computer generated movies are almost indistinguishable from reality. More power and they will be completly indistinguishable. Do you really think no one will pay for that upgrade?

And, the STEM uses of computers will always be able to use more and more power.

36 posted on 09/22/2022 8:30:05 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: cuban leaf

Flim and the BBs started out in the 70’s/80’s - one of the first ever digital recordings. Very Minneapolis/LA fusion. Really good players. Jimmy (Flim) is a local legend and is widely known in the LA fusion scene.


37 posted on 09/22/2022 8:53:04 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t often use it, but I have a 2010 MacBook Air that just won’t die. Keeps doing the updates, too!


38 posted on 09/22/2022 8:54:45 AM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: jdsteel

Nope, mine stopped allowing updates to the OSX.


39 posted on 09/22/2022 8:56:22 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: cuban leaf

Good Rats is like Kiss, Government Mule and Supertramp had a baby.

Pretty cool stuff.


40 posted on 09/22/2022 9:00:16 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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