Inside the mind of one of my very smart pro-vax friends

substack.com ^ | August 22, 2022 | Steve Kirsch

[ransomnote]

Here's how they think. It's 100% based on deference to authority. If you ask them for data to back up their claims, they stop responding.

Steve Kirsch

Aug 22

 

 

 

I recently talked to a friend of mine at a recent social event. We’ll call him Bob. He’s super smart about most things. But when it comes to the vaccine, he’s blind to the truth.

He was bragging about how he has been vaxxed 6 times with the COVID vax and he’s perfectly healthy. He can’t wait for SB 866 in California to pass so when his kids turn 12, they can decide to get the vaccine over their mother’s objections.

Bob thinks I’m a nut case, cherry picking data. He says I used to be respected, but after turning anti-vax, people have lost all respect for me. He said I have a religious belief about the vaccine and I’m not driven by data.

What he isn’t telling anyone is that he’s been losing his vision ever since he got his first COVID vaccine. He used to have 20/20 vision, but now he wears glasses and can’t drive at night. When I brought up the data showing the connection between the shots and vision loss, he changed the topic.

I showed him two papers showing the more you vaccinate, the sicker you get (see the two papers here). I asked, “Where are the papers that show the opposite?” He ignored my request.

He gets his belief system from the mainstream media. Full stop. He reasons that if I was correct, surely Bill Gates would agree with me and admit they goofed. It’s 100% deference to authority.

MORE AT LINK: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/inside-the-mind-of-one-of-my-very

 

[SheepWhisperer]

“Show me where I have been brainwashed”

...see! You proved the point perfectly!

[David Chase]

You’re the one with mental health issues.

280 million Americans have been vaccinated and all people like you have is when a random young person dies, you run, not walk to the Thread to proclaim it was the Vax.
Spouting our your faux sympathy.

Which proves people like you don’t really require proof to back up your claims.
Then when it’s revealed they died of suicide or drug overdose, silence.

Covid-19 is over. There are 2 groups of people wanting to keep it alive. Oddly the 2 groups are far apart from each other but agree they enjoy Covid and all that it has, including vaccinations.

Leftist like Fauci.
And the Q-Anti-vax kooks here.

I have never pushed any vaccine. I object to the fraudulent information being posted here. The madness of 3 foot long worms, magnetic people, snake venom, razor blades, computer chips and 5G mind control, all of which morons have claimed are in the vaccines.

No one sane would focus and believe that crap.
No one sane would continue with such idiotic posting of such obvious fake, misleading information even more so while Covid wanes, while Americans want this behind us.
But you relish in it. Like a demented fantasy. SI-FI role play.

You people have had real Doctors here, some you have known for decades.
You attack them, disrespect them, even threaten them while taking the word of some unknown random dude that posted some insane incidents on BitChute or SubStack.

What a bunch of losers.

[David Chase]

“ You and the gasdoc have lied quite a few times how the only people in the ICU were non vaxxed”
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You make such a smarmy comment like that and can’t prove it.

You a loon that thinks there’s computer chips in the vaccine and through the 5G Network Bill Gates is controlling the vaccinated.

Your credibility is destroyed except among other crazies.
Enjoy.

[David Chase]

Their mental abilities have greatly diminished over the last 2 plus years.
Since you’ve been Doxxed, they don’t even think they sound stupid calling you a Fake Doctor.
Well, now they have proof you’re a real Doctor. Still the can’t give up their favorite addiction, Vax Porn.
It must be powerful.

[David Chase]

Well, your clearly in a position that doesn’t make any sense.
What do you suppose an anesthesiologist does in the ICU?
Clearly you don’t know.

Are you some hospital janitor? That’s your expertise?
Because only someone with T.V. type of knowledge would think an anesthesiologist only deals with pain and rarely sees patients.

When someone needs to be intubated, who puts them under and tubes them?
Who monitors the patient? Who keeps them asleep (I’m dumbing it down just for you)?
Who weens them off the E.T. and O2?

If you need gas_dr to explain to you why he works in among other places in the hospital (surgery, ICU, Rehab, spinal injections) then you really don’t have your Big Position of Knowledge, now do you?

[SheepWhisperer]

“Which proves”...NOTHING...nothing at all.
...so much words

SEE? Y’all keep on proving the point...brainwaashed.
...and you’re angry about it. Good! Admitting that you have a problem is the first step in the healing process.

...anyway...
cool story bro

[David Chase]

The paid poster comment is so immature.

To think you are so great and people (the secret cabal of course) want to convert you so they have Paid people that have been here for decades just to counter your beliefs that razor blades are in the vaccines.

Wow.

[David Chase]

Oh HIPAA, eh?

So you’re a clerk!! Oh well I must yield to your superior medical expertise.

I wouldn’t give you an damn thing.
Any nut that believes the B.S. being posted here is Not a stable person.

[David Chase]

He was Doxxed recently.

Which proves who he is and what he is.
You must have missed it.

[Triple]

True dat…

I posted articles proving the JnJ adenovirus vector jab was gene therapy according to t tv be nih.

[Triple]

Does not following the Hippocratic oath disqualify you from being a doctor?

I guess you have this to fall back on…

What do you call the guy that finishes last in his class at medical school?

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Doctor!

Btw - are you still unwilling to admit that the JnJ jab was adenovirus vector gene therapy?

[BlackbirdSST]

Prove I am not.

That's not the way it works AH. That's not the way any of this works. Prove you are a Doctor. If, and that's a big if, you are a doctor, you're the most unethical POS I have ever run across.

[Pollard]

[Fury]

I only posted a response to you in the first place because I don’t want anyone to make any health decisions based on what you post.

You were missed at a couple of threads. Last year a FReeper did come down with COVID-19. She later died. You should have seen the advice she was being given for treatment.

On a couple other threads, I lost count of the number and amounts of treatments that people were suggesting. Arguments ensued on one occasion between FReepers giving different treatment advice. Just insanity.

[gas_dr]

Ok. Let’s okay your game notwithstanding the abusive language which demonstrates your rage at being demonstrably trapped in the poor arguments that demonstrate the inability to think critically.

1. In America, you are offered the assumption of innocence or telling the truth and if requires proof of an accusation is leveled that the accusation is true. It is the fundamental basis of you are not required to testify against yourself or prove your innocence. The entire jurisprudence system is based on this. So. Hypothetically, I think you are a child molester. Prove you are not. It is up to you to prove it. I have accused you of dishonesty. You enjoy the presumption of the benefit of the doubt. I would have to bring evidence to show you are lying. You do not have to bring evidence to show my accusation is untrue. Additionally I cannot say if you are or are not a child molester. So for me to level this hypothetical statement with no qualifications is irrational. If I were to threaten you that If you don’t stop doing something such as posting on a website I will tell authorities and you could prove otherwise, I have exposure for libel. You could sue me. Please refute this statement.

2. You have satisfied I am the most unethical POS you have ever run across. What cannon of ethics have i breached. Go ahead. Insist. Using your words and hypothetical If you are a doctor…. So first you day I am not. But you cannot know for sure therefore showing you are dishonest, but then you use a CYA, but if I am, I am unethical. State the professional ethics I have breached. You cannot. I know what the cannon of ethics are for my profession as a physician. I have not violated any of them. I guess I could bring up the difference between utilitarianism and deontology but the grossly Neanderthal post to me seems to demonstrated at once a lack of nuance and education that would preclude a Socratic discussion about ethics.

3. I believe I have the right to face my accuser. Given that some here have accused me of crimes for which I should be executed, I will simply await for them to positively identify themselves to me so I may face them in an appropriate venue. So if you want me to prove who I am and that you are wrong, please provide me your name and identifying material so that I may have my credentials sent to you. It will be with a process server ad you have committed libel. I am more than happy to do so as truth is an absolute element in pursuing a tort of libel and a myriad of other torts that would be in a complaint. Should i choose to pursue the libel action against the person who doxxed me, it will be in a court record. I have about 23 months to decide to file. The complaint is drafted. I am just weighing my options.

So. Just as roving is hiding under his desk because he couldn’t answer the questions posted to his outrageous statements I assume you will also. Because you simply cannot answer the questions I have posed based on your post.

I await your responses.

[gas_dr]

It’s like arguing with someone who can xerox a page out of a book but doesn’t understand it. You have had enough time to take a basic biology course. But instead of educating yourself but you just apparently enjoy spreading the inaccuracies of others.

JnJ used a adenovirus vector to place a DS DNA encoding for spike protein within the nucleus of the cell. Absent specific reverse transcriptase or integrase to graft the DNA sequence into the human genome sequence of the recipient of the vaccination to correct s genetic flaw, it is not gene therapy as the DNA is merely translated then transcribed. It is not integrated. The DNA is a gene for the spike protein by a very coarse definition.

Gene therapy is by definition the treatment of a genetic disease by inserting a corrected piece of DNA into the human genes in order to correct the molecular level of pathology. There are clinical trials underway for such gene therapy you can go read them. But your incomplete understanding of what genes and therapies are is demonstrated in your absurd question at a lunar altitude that requires a more granular level of understanding.

The JnJ vaccine is not a therapy for genetic disease. It does not integrate into human DNA sequences. If it did, genetic sequencing of a vaccination person with JnJ would demonstrate the integration and subsequent transcription and translation of spike proteins at exponential numbers over time. There is no evidence of this. This, your statement is incorrect.

And yes, I did do a literature search prior to answering this in order to make sure I was properly educating you.

[gas_dr]

You accused me of being mengele from time to time. Doesn’t your tagline stating you are a pureblood invoke images of the master race. It is much more analogous to the political philosophy of Nazism than accusing me of being mengele.

This should chill anyone who sees your tagline. From Mein Kamph, A. Hitler author ”for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood.”<.I>

It is quite frightening…and the seeds of tyranny within you. These are your words on your tagline juxtaposed with Hitler writing. I call on you to resolve your words and alignment.

[BlackbirdSST]

I await your responses.

LOL, post your credentials.

[Pollard]

You accused me of being mengele from time to time.

Bullshit and I haven't even replied to you in a long time. Pureblood is a recent covid meme and nothing more, just an internet meme.

You're sounding a bit like Biden and the dems with the Hitler talk btw.

[DugwayDuke]

This is a classic example of Steve Kirsch spreading misinformation. His chart shows that wellness visits increase with vaccination status but that visits prompted by fever do not. Now Steve is smart enough to recognize that wellness visits are not an indication of sickness but are an indication of attention to health. IOW, those who are interested in their health are much more likely to have periodic doctors visits to monitor their health. They are also more likely to take vaccinations seriously.

Steve also discusses his discussions with Andrew Wakefield. Steve is smart enough to recognize that Wakefield isn’t a credible source who lost his medical license for conducting and reporting fraudulent research where he stood to gain over $43M for his ‘research’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Now, why would an obviously intelligent person like Kirsch resort to such shenanigans?
Also, why would some rely upon Kirsch for reliable information on vaccination?