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Dark Matter: Is a Revolution Coming to Physics?
scitechdaily.com ^ | JULY 15, 2022

Posted on 07/17/2022 12:56:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Newton’s Theory of Gravity explains most large-scale events fairly well. ... However, the theory is not foolproof. Einstein’s theories of general and special relativity, for example, explained data that Newton’s theory couldn’t. Scientists still use Newton’s theory because it works in the overwhelming majority of cases and has much simpler equations.

Dark matter was proposed as a way to reconcile Newtonian physics with the data. But what if, instead of reconciliation, a modified theory is needed.... Mordehai Milgrom...developed a theory of gravity (called Modified Newtonian Dynamics or “Mond” for short) in 1982 that postulates gravity functions differently when it becomes very weak, such as at the edge of disk galaxies.

His theory does not simply explain the behaviors of galaxies; it predicts them. The problem with theories is that they can explain just about anything. ...One way to separate good theories from bad ones is to see which theory makes better predictions.

Recent analysis of Mond shows that it makes significantly better predictions than standard dark matter models. What that means is that, while dark matter can explain the behavior of galaxies quite well, it has little predictive power and is, at least on this front, an inferior theory.

Only more data and debate will be able to settle the score on dark matter and Mond. However, Mond coming to be accepted as the best explanation would shatter decades of scientific consensus and make one of the more mysterious features of the universe much more normal. A modified theory may not be as sexy as dark, unseen forces, but it may just have the advantage of being better science.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; darkmatter; mond; mordehaimilgrom; mtheory; physics; quantumloopgravity; relativity; science; speedofdark; stringtheory
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To: BereanBrain
said, "Once you start lying, saying you know things you just suspect and cannot prove, the lies just multiply."

Yeap. They simple dig deeper and deeper.
They will not admit to other lies that would help their argument. That Stars are not a gas they have a lithosphere.
No way... they can't start telling the truth. They would rather dig a deeper hole.

The more we learn about science the more you realize nearly all sciences are built on lies. it's really sad
41 posted on 07/17/2022 3:25:44 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
"Once you start lying, saying you know things you just suspect and cannot prove, the lies just multiply."

No, no! I know that's not true!

Honest!

42 posted on 07/17/2022 3:31:07 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Samurai_Jack

> “sufficiently small scales”

See a mind stretching youtube video:

Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion - How Evolution Hid the Truth | Lex Fridman Podcast #293

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reYdQYZ9Rj4

I had read the guy’s book and even printed out and read the paper. Wild stuff.


43 posted on 07/17/2022 3:52:36 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: BereanBrain
"We have an equation on how the big bang “works”. You have to have a mass of for example X for the Big Bang to ever occur."

No it's not about the Big Bang.

"Once you start lying, saying you know things you just suspect and cannot prove, the lies just multiply."

Nobody is lying or saying they know things they don't. Scientists have proposed ideas. That's how science works. Nobody is saying these ideas are facts. That's precisely the point.

44 posted on 07/17/2022 4:12:15 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Stars have a lithosphere?

lithosphere - the rigid outer part of the earth or planet, consisting of the crust and upper mantle.

Source for the claim please?


45 posted on 07/17/2022 4:22:00 PM PDT by Reily
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To: 17th Miss Regt

“No. That is the job of the legislature. Separation of powers, you know...”

LOL.


46 posted on 07/17/2022 5:32:32 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: mlo

When they assume the existence of something they cannot prove, that’s not science, it’s a belief system.

I have 2 degrees in science, and almost a 3rd.

I believe in provable science, not belief. For example, everybody was all hot about string theory for 20 years or so, and it never had any real underpinning. Now, it’s out of vogue. Not that there is anything wrong with changing your views if you get new information, but they move from one supposition to the next.

Like weathermen, they never admit they were wrong.


47 posted on 07/17/2022 6:48:58 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Reily

Einstein’s equations describe a non-linear 4-dimension spacetime.


48 posted on 07/17/2022 7:42:50 PM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

Yes, I know and your point is?


49 posted on 07/17/2022 7:48:31 PM PDT by Reily
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To: TexasGator

I would say they describe a 4-dimension spacetime. I don’t understand why you qualify with “non-linear”, but maybe I don’t understand it well enough.


50 posted on 07/17/2022 7:57:13 PM PDT by OHelix ( )
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To: Reily
said, "Stars have a lithosphere?"

History of the Gaseous Sun with Dr. Robitaille
https://youtu.be/GxEokSd-o5o

Dr. Robitaille has many papers on how stars have a lithosphere.
Though it's really very simple.
If stars where a gas it would defy every thermodynamic law.
Example: What holds a star together with a massive nuclear core?
51 posted on 07/17/2022 9:47:57 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Fightin Whitey
said, "Once you start lying, saying you know things you just suspect and cannot prove, the lies just multiply."
No, no! I know that's not true!
Honest!"


Sounds like you twisted my words and attempted a joke out of it.
Though I could've miss interpreted what you mean.
If you have a question I will be happy to explain.
52 posted on 07/17/2022 9:55:38 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
The intent was to mock an imaginary liar going through the brief stages of preparing himself to lie fulsomely.

Don't worry though. There was nothing there to take offense at, and even less in the way of damaging meaningful prose.

Cheers!

53 posted on 07/17/2022 10:32:21 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Uh-Huh


54 posted on 07/18/2022 6:19:30 AM PDT by Reily
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To: OHelix

“I don’t understand why you qualify with “non-linear”, but maybe I don’t understand it well enough.”

With Newtonian gravity only the mass is counted. In General Relativity both mass and energy effect gravity.


55 posted on 07/18/2022 8:36:27 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Reily

“Yes, I know and your point is?”

Back to my original response:


“There’s been attempts to modify Newton in the past. I remember reading an article on such an attempt in Science back in the 1980s. All came to naught, “

Einstein “modified” Newton over a century ago.


56 posted on 07/18/2022 8:38:46 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“2. The laws of gravity change when we get to big structures like galaxies.”

Einstein, 1915


57 posted on 07/18/2022 9:05:03 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: BenLurkin

The deeper issue is that “laws of nature” are broken by nature all the time.

It turns out they are “laws” that humans wrote.


58 posted on 07/18/2022 9:11:35 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: TexasGator

I am not disputing that. So, what’s your issue?

But there have been attempts to show it breaks down in nonrelativistic domains.

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.nucl.53.041002.110503


59 posted on 07/18/2022 9:30:44 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
said, "Dr. Robitaille has many papers on how stars have a lithosphere"
Uh-Huh


oky doky
60 posted on 07/18/2022 9:51:27 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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