Spencer Webb with Christine Drazan, possibly Oregon’s next Governor.
Posted on 07/14/2022 5:45:10 AM PDT by bray
Another senseless death thanks most likely to Fauci.
Are you accustomed to flatter spring creeks? Water in the Coast Range is usually moving down a pretty good incline. That spot should at least be a little warmer than the McKenzie River, on the other side of Eugene. It has some seriously violent whitewater, deep, with big rocks, and snowmelt water that hurts me to think about getting thrown into. Good place to fish, though.
My point is that there is no vaccine. The products that have been peddled as “vaccines” are better described as gene therapy. You don’t have to be “anti-vax” to resist taking experimental gene therapy that is risky and not very effective. It’s perfectly sensible, IMO, to get a tetanus shot and refuse to get the Wuhan virus jab.
All of my experience is in the Southeast: Pigeon River and Nolichucky River in Tennessee (plus various creeks/small rivers as a kid), Ocoee River in Tennessee/Georgia and Chattahoochee River. I’d love to do the Chattooga before I’m too old, but haven’t made it there yet. I have always had a special love for the Nolichucky, but the Ocoee is most popular, I guess.
Maybe when I go out West next year I can try some of your cool rivers. Not sure I’ll make it up to Oregon and Washington, though. I’d originally planned on it to visit relatives there, but they are all moving to Texas. Still would like to go anyway. The McKenzie sounds beautiful, but may be out of my league now I’m getting older :( Thanks for the warning!
I haven’t been vaccinated, as I had the original Covid variant early in the game (no fun, but no hospital, either). So I suppose I’ve had “gene therapy” if you want to call it that:
“SARS-CoV-2 is a novel positive-sense single-stranded RNA virus”*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35229157/
“Positive or plus (+)-strand RNA viruses have genomes that are functional mRNAs”*
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7173417/
I’ve since had a little bout of Omicron, no biggie, so got my “booster gene therapy”, too, I guess.
Again, I am staunchly against mandates. Whether to get these vaccines should be a personal and private matter. Now that Covid is no worse than the common cold, why worry over vaccines? The vaccine question has become moot — and most tiresome.
*h/t Pelham
The medical examiner isn’t the media but conspiracy theorists gotta theorize.
You just be you.
“Now that Covid is no worse than the common cold,”
Mostly it seems, but not always. A couple I know caught it last month and she still has bad symptoms. He was fine in just a few days.
“My point is that there is no vaccine. The products that have been peddled as “vaccines” are better described as gene therapy.”
A vaccine is something that gets your body to produce antibodies. That’s been true since Edward Jenner used to cowpox pustules to inoculate people against smallpox. All of the covid vaccines train your immune system to make antibodies, and to develop T cell immunity which lasts longer.
“Gene therapy” would require the alteration of DNA. The Covid virus can’t alter your genetic code and neither can the vaccines. If gene therapy was easy to do we could cure hereditary diseases.
The “gene therapy” claim is foolishness that constantly gets repeated around here to the point that people think it must be true. Some use it to scare people. Others simply don’t know any better.
Spencer Webb with Christine Drazan, possibly Oregon’s next Governor.
Hey now don't laugh 10,000 cows dropped dead the other day in the Mid West because of global warming. </s>
Then you think Boyland died of an overdose even though there are videos of her being beaten and smothered under a pile of cops.
Call me all the names you want since I will never back down from the truth or follow groupthink.
Yup. the vaccine caused his fatal fall…. People need to get a life
Re: “A couple I know caught it last month and she still has bad symptoms. He was fine in just a few days.”
I stand corrected. I was going by my own Omicron experience and published reports saying it was upper respiratory only (not down in the lungs like the original Covid or the Delta variant):
Re the “gene therapy” I agree. It’s no more “gene therapy” than one would get from catching the disease and developing natural immunity. I think it likely it’s the mRNA bit that gets people confused. The vaccines contain part of the virus’s spike protein, yes, the crucial mRNA. But so does the virus bristling with spikes itself. Why do they think one is “gene therapy” but not the other? How do they think viruses hijack our cells to replicate themselves? Why is the bit of spike protein in the vaccine “gene therapy” but not the whole dang virus?
Maybe this will help explain?
https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
Even better:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
But people who prefer to believe The Daily Expose, Steve Kirsch, Stew Peters, Facebook and Twitter posts, etc., are going to continue believe the “gene therapy” notion. (And there are grifters making lots of $ off these sites and from selling “detox” concoctions, so they proliferate.) There is simply no reasoning with them.
By the way, guess how people develop natural immunity to malaria? It’s caused by a parasite, not a bacteria or virus, so how? Their immune systems learn to recognize the proteins expressed on the surface of the nasty little protozoa. But they’re tricky little devils and switch up which proteins they express to evade the host’s immune system, so it’s a process, and this “immunity” does not entirely prevent infestation with parasites, but does prevent them from replicating and causing serious illness. It’s a fascinating process.
Surprised there were fewer Covid deaths and serious symptoms in areas where malaria is endemic and natural immunity high (one would expect the opposite), researchers are looking into this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8853697/
And recruiting for a clinical trial:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05012280
Could be implications for treatment or prevention of Covid — or could just be interesting, at least I think it interesting.
The thing is, what’s so sinister about our immune systems learning to recognize certain proteins expressed by little enemy invaders, whether viruses, bacteria or parasites? Or those contained in a vaccine?
Well, someone can fall and die, or they can die and fall.
Feel free to ping me to the autopsy report.
And it has been confirmed on the thread that he was, in fact, fully vaccinated.
The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc School of Medicine has the answer.
“Surprised there were fewer Covid deaths and serious symptoms in areas where malaria is endemic and natural immunity high (one would expect the opposite), researchers are looking into this.”
Which makes you wonder what the common thread could be.
Shortly after SARS-1 researchers were trying quinine derivative drugs as a means of fighting SARS. Chloroquine was tried in 2005 and found very effective in vitro using green monkey kidney tissue. Chloroquine is a more toxic cousin of HCQ, and SARS-1 of course is the close cousin of Covid-19 aka SARS-2.
I suspect that this 2005 study is probably what prompted Trump’s people to promote HCQ. It held the possibility of working.
But the problem with the 2005 study is that it was done in the lab on monkey tissue in petri dishes. There was no opportunity to try it in people infected with SARS.
That chance finally arrived with Covid 19, and once Chloroquine and HCQ were tried in people they just didn’t work like they had in the lab. Not unusual, just a disappointment. But the conspiracy crowd wouldn’t be deterred by mundane reality and the rest is history.
That doesn’t explain the malaria zone exemption, it just rules out one possibility
You are speaking of the specific case, I assumed you were speaking of the dangers of he vax in general. I apologize if I misunderstood you, and return your credibility in my eyes. Haha, not like my faith in you means anything.
doubling down on stupid doesn’t make it true. Have a nice evening
“The “gene therapy” claim is foolishness that constantly gets repeated around here to the point that people think it must be true.”
I read a lengthy post, basically all quotes from various sources, which made the case that MRNA vaccines for the Wuhan virus was properly described as gene therapy, not vaccine. I went with that, perhaps mistakenly. I do not think these MRNA vaccines are traditional vaccines. Agreed?
What is the track record of MRNA vaccines as antivirals? I read that MRNA vaccines were attempted for SARs CoV-1 but flunked the animal experiment phase. I haven’t heard the results from human trials or animal experiments for the current vaccine.
All, or most, all drugs come with lengthy disclosures of risks. That was not the case when my wife received the jab - no literature was provided. I understand that the developers of these non-traditional vaccines are shielded from lawsuits. That may or may not be justifiable, but it certainly puts this vaccine in a different category. As does the extreme speed of vaccine development in this case.
I object to the term “anti-vaccer.” It is name calling, pure and simple. It is an effort to marginalize and intimidate. This is a standard objectional technique used by many liberals, and a few conservatives. Another is the argument from authority, a known fallacy. In any case, anti-vaccer may be even less appropriate here as one might refuse this vaccine and choose many others, as I mentioned in a prior post.
Another label that gets thrown around is “conspiracy theorist.” Hillary Clinton held at least one press conference with charts advancubg a “vast right-wing” conspiracy. I don’t know if that was before or after millions of Americans voted for her. I’ve never heard a liberal complain. Tump-Putin conspiracy, insurrection conspiracy, no one in the liberal legacy media seems to have a problem with conspiracies when they are advanced by liberals.
It was policy that anyone dying with Covid be categorized as dying from Covid. Yes, that was absurd. However, it was also official policy implemented by hospitals across the land. What if someone said that anyone dying with the jab, died from the jab? Would that be so very different?
My first statement suggested he was fully vaccinated.
My second pointed out that that was shown to be true.
Are you saying that he wasn’t fully vaccinated?
Unrelated, but do you agree that Dr. Faucci is a liar? Or do you believe that he actually traveled to the North Pole and personally vaccinated Santa Clause.
>> If she bled out where was all the blood on the floor?
Many issues with that case. But most don’t GAF. Too emotionally attached to the story’s heroine.
You raise a reasonable POV regarding the TE, and the vaxx jackoffs jump down your throat to suggest/state you’re out of your mind.
Re HCQ, the areas in question are where P. falciparum is resistant to both chloroquine and its kinder cousin HCQ. So it has nothing to do with HCQ.
It’s thought that the people living in these areas who have developed natural immunity to malaria (and nearly all over the age of five have), have immune systems especially attuned to detecting varying foreign proteins and forming defenses in response (trained immunity hypothesis), perhaps including proteins with sequences similar to those expressed by the Covid virus. Certainly they have formed defenses in response to detection varying proteins expressed on the surfaces of P. falciparum by whatever means.
There’s also a theory involving Toll-like receptor 9 (TLR9), but that one gets complicated. TLR7 and TLR8 agonists have already been looked as possible adjuvants for Covid vaccines, and, if I remember correctly, as possible therapies in early stage treatment, again IIRC, including in combo with monoclonal antibodies. TLR9 plays a major role in mediating innate immune response to malaria:
https://www.jimmunol.org/content/188/10/5073
If natural immunity to malaria indeed confers some protection against Covid, the pathways and mechanisms involved (including TLR9) may shed light on possible ways to effectively treat it in the early stage and possible implications for vaccine development.
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