“Now that Covid is no worse than the common cold,”
Mostly it seems, but not always. A couple I know caught it last month and she still has bad symptoms. He was fine in just a few days.
“My point is that there is no vaccine. The products that have been peddled as “vaccines” are better described as gene therapy.”
A vaccine is something that gets your body to produce antibodies. That’s been true since Edward Jenner used to cowpox pustules to inoculate people against smallpox. All of the covid vaccines train your immune system to make antibodies, and to develop T cell immunity which lasts longer.
“Gene therapy” would require the alteration of DNA. The Covid virus can’t alter your genetic code and neither can the vaccines. If gene therapy was easy to do we could cure hereditary diseases.
The “gene therapy” claim is foolishness that constantly gets repeated around here to the point that people think it must be true. Some use it to scare people. Others simply don’t know any better.
Re: “A couple I know caught it last month and she still has bad symptoms. He was fine in just a few days.”
I stand corrected. I was going by my own Omicron experience and published reports saying it was upper respiratory only (not down in the lungs like the original Covid or the Delta variant):
Re the “gene therapy” I agree. It’s no more “gene therapy” than one would get from catching the disease and developing natural immunity. I think it likely it’s the mRNA bit that gets people confused. The vaccines contain part of the virus’s spike protein, yes, the crucial mRNA. But so does the virus bristling with spikes itself. Why do they think one is “gene therapy” but not the other? How do they think viruses hijack our cells to replicate themselves? Why is the bit of spike protein in the vaccine “gene therapy” but not the whole dang virus?
Maybe this will help explain?
https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
Even better:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
But people who prefer to believe The Daily Expose, Steve Kirsch, Stew Peters, Facebook and Twitter posts, etc., are going to continue believe the “gene therapy” notion. (And there are grifters making lots of $ off these sites and from selling “detox” concoctions, so they proliferate.) There is simply no reasoning with them.
By the way, guess how people develop natural immunity to malaria? It’s caused by a parasite, not a bacteria or virus, so how? Their immune systems learn to recognize the proteins expressed on the surface of the nasty little protozoa. But they’re tricky little devils and switch up which proteins they express to evade the host’s immune system, so it’s a process, and this “immunity” does not entirely prevent infestation with parasites, but does prevent them from replicating and causing serious illness. It’s a fascinating process.
Surprised there were fewer Covid deaths and serious symptoms in areas where malaria is endemic and natural immunity high (one would expect the opposite), researchers are looking into this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8853697/
And recruiting for a clinical trial:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05012280
Could be implications for treatment or prevention of Covid — or could just be interesting, at least I think it interesting.
The thing is, what’s so sinister about our immune systems learning to recognize certain proteins expressed by little enemy invaders, whether viruses, bacteria or parasites? Or those contained in a vaccine?
“The “gene therapy” claim is foolishness that constantly gets repeated around here to the point that people think it must be true.”
I read a lengthy post, basically all quotes from various sources, which made the case that MRNA vaccines for the Wuhan virus was properly described as gene therapy, not vaccine. I went with that, perhaps mistakenly. I do not think these MRNA vaccines are traditional vaccines. Agreed?
What is the track record of MRNA vaccines as antivirals? I read that MRNA vaccines were attempted for SARs CoV-1 but flunked the animal experiment phase. I haven’t heard the results from human trials or animal experiments for the current vaccine.
All, or most, all drugs come with lengthy disclosures of risks. That was not the case when my wife received the jab - no literature was provided. I understand that the developers of these non-traditional vaccines are shielded from lawsuits. That may or may not be justifiable, but it certainly puts this vaccine in a different category. As does the extreme speed of vaccine development in this case.
I object to the term “anti-vaccer.” It is name calling, pure and simple. It is an effort to marginalize and intimidate. This is a standard objectional technique used by many liberals, and a few conservatives. Another is the argument from authority, a known fallacy. In any case, anti-vaccer may be even less appropriate here as one might refuse this vaccine and choose many others, as I mentioned in a prior post.
Another label that gets thrown around is “conspiracy theorist.” Hillary Clinton held at least one press conference with charts advancubg a “vast right-wing” conspiracy. I don’t know if that was before or after millions of Americans voted for her. I’ve never heard a liberal complain. Tump-Putin conspiracy, insurrection conspiracy, no one in the liberal legacy media seems to have a problem with conspiracies when they are advanced by liberals.
It was policy that anyone dying with Covid be categorized as dying from Covid. Yes, that was absurd. However, it was also official policy implemented by hospitals across the land. What if someone said that anyone dying with the jab, died from the jab? Would that be so very different?