Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
LOLOL!
Don’t know who you are but I know what you think
You just proved you’re a fool
Get lost loser.
Well, you told us you were voting for Kathy Barnette, whom Trump said could ‘never win’.
I liked Barnette, too; but I’ll go with Trump’s judgment instead of yours.
Amen
--socon-econ
JoSix — I’m not reading my post. I’m reading yours. Why not make a cogent answer? We’re talking about trying to actually wield power. Not just walking around feeling, or believing, even correctly, that we wuz robbed.
that doesn’t help. We need a realistic path to victory given the facts.
What’s yours?
last I saw\heard, none of the court cases even made it to the stage where evidence was presented. The courts either said they lacked jurisdiction or they said the trump campaign lacked standing.
Neither of these rulings make much sense.
When you can draw crowds and turn out boters the way DJT does maybe I’ll engage your nonsense
If Trump runs I’ll vote for him
GFU
Name the person. Amazing he doesn’t do that. Just….Not Trump.
One thing that Pres Trump has over DeSantis….he isn’t nor can he run again. He doesn’t have to worry about re-election. He can go scorched earth.
And……Pres Trump did win
Oh, you mean like we should be electing more lawyers turned career politicians, most of which never worked in the private sector. Lets get back to where we were in the 40 years leading up to the Trump era. Brilliant!
To Central_va: Do you honestly think Trump can persuade The American People of that fact? By your own account, that’s the goal. Do you really believe he can get there?
And if you don’t actually believe that, don’t you have to come up with a better plan?
Threads like this show just how deeply the cancel culture has infested FR. Nothing “Free” about debate here anymore, just fall in with the groupthink, or begone, troll.
Quoting these two rags doesn't help your argument.
Who would that be?
Admitting that one was part of the 81 million that voted for BidenIdiot has become a rarity......
Actually watched lazily from the car the other day as a couple went into Walmart, bought a bumper sticker, and then go back out to their vehicle, peel off the back of the bumper sticker, and place it over their 2020 Biden-Harris sticker. Hmmm.
I have mentioned this before. I will absolutely support Trump in 2024 if he can demonstrate that he has learned from his mistakes. Otherwise, I will wish him well but probably go with DeSantis.
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