Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
IBTZ
Nice try
samadams2000 likes guys who win too.
THERE IS NO OTHER PATH TO JUSTICE.
Your premise is wrong, Trump won.
No sale.
Epic stupid.
They had to manufacture MILLIONS of votes to steal the election.
They stacked everything the deep state had against him, and they STILL had to manufacture 4 million more in the middle of the night.
Trump creamed them. WE failed to help stop the steal.
Takeback: Give me a substantive answer. I’ve been on this board for over 20 years. I’m a monthly subscriber. I’m not a bot or a plant.
Make an argument for why this is wrong.
wow. you’re a full blown idiot.
So you’re going to vote for Biden in 2024? He ‘won’ after all.
I will support whoever the nominee is. I have a high regard for Trump. However, he is not where I prefer on a couple of issues. And he did fail to stop this massive fraud; he was warned.
Many on FR including myself worried about fraud and were shut down. “Trump has teams of lawyers all over the country working on this,” well, if he did, what happened? I think he was betrayed by people he thought he could trust. And our court system collapsed. Texas has no standing, Supremes? Really?
So I wait and see who gets the nod. When the primary comes I’ll vote for whoever I think is the best candidate. I love Trump. But he is not perfect and I am not a cultist.
Keep reading your own thread cowboy.
Trump/DeSantis 2024
I’m not interested in any politician who remained silent about the stolen election, or who hasn’t at least fought to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
It’s a pretty short list.
Seminar posters are so gay.
When the other side cheats then you didn’t lose - you were victimized. Trump wasn’t victimized - we were.
Now there are more and more people awakening to the fact that the corruption is rampant. They won’t be able to hide it anymore with the number of people waking up to the problems.
I will vote Trump ahead of anyone else just to shove it down their throats that I don’t appreciate having my rights removed....in the end though none of this matters.
I won’t allow the corruption to sway me.
Why?
Because in the end GOD wins and all the games on this world don’t matter at all at that point.
JoeSix — if he won, how come he’s not sitting in the Oval Office? He has to not only win — he has to persuade people he won. He did not do that and he cannot do that.
Face facts. He’s not in the Oval. We need a guy who can actually BE president.
Isn’t that what you want too? I know it’s what I want. What’s your real world path to getting there?
Do you want the American people to believe 2020 was a fair election, and that President Trump is a liar, and that he incited an insurrection on Jan 6?
Because that’s exactly what they’ll conclude if Republicans “move on”, and nobody dares to fight back or even talk about it.
It’s true there’s not going to be any decertification or restoring President Trump to office before 2024, but that doesn’t mean we can just close the book on the crime of the century and “move on”.
The American people should be beyond outraged about what happened, and the level of outrage should be rising to a fever pitch leading up to the elections - not diminishing.
Surrender Monkey!
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