Posted on 05/26/2022 10:30:37 AM PDT by lowbridge
Hardcore opponents of gun control in the U.S. often respond to school shootings by proposing to arm teachers or add armed security guards to schools. But the inability of police to stop the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, before he killed at least 19 children and two teachers Tuesday exposes the poor reasoning behind that proposal.
While all the details of the shooting are not yet clear, authorities’ accounts revealed that the gunman was confronted by multiple armed police officers — yet they were unable to stop him before he killed nearly two dozen people.
The gunman reportedly crashed his truck in a ditch near the campus before entering the school, and police officers arrived at the school after a report of that crash.
According to CBS News’ summary of Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Christopher Olivarez’s account, the shooter “stormed Robb Elementary School in the small city of Uvalde shortly after crashing his car in the area and immediately engaged in gunfire with state troopers on the scene. The gunman shot several police officers and then locked himself in a classroom.”
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According to various reports, after local officers called for backup, a specialized tactical unit made it into the classroom a full hour after the gunman entered the school, and an agent of an elite law enforcement unit was involved in killing the gunman. (That agent was injured in the process.)
Given those details, I find it increasingly impossible to understand how one could believe that the solution to school shootings is arming teachers or having a security guard protecting every school. If a group of police officers couldn’t stop a shooter, then why would we expect an individual teacher or security guard to do better?
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The FBI needs to come up with plans local cops can use to save our children. Then practice them with the cops. 40 minutes is too long to wait to get to the killer.
If the FBI can come up with ‘plans to get more trans and sexual weirdos into uniform’ and into ‘intelligence’ they can damn sure come up with plans to deal with school slaughters. For the cops and for the kids... and for the teachers...Killer drills.
For students and teachers: When to run, when to hide, how to ‘fight’ if you must.
For schools: fences and guard houses, escape routes for kids... automatic door locks...
For cops: SWAT training for 10% of all city cops.
First of all, they weren't 'unable' they just didn't. Secondly, it's absurd to extrapolate that result to predict the response of an armed teacher at risk in the room, and the results of that response. Idiot.
While all the details of the shooting are not yet clear, authorities’ accounts revealed that the gunman was confronted by multiple armed police officers — yet they were unable to stop him before he killed nearly two dozen people.
No, he wasn't. They waited outside while the agency you libs don't like, CBP, went in and did what the cops were supposed to. Since they used guns, how come that doesn't demonstrate that arming the teachers WOULD be effective, since the cops' failure shows the folly of arming teachers, in your 'mind'?
The actual lesson is that safety shouldn't, and can't, be outsourced to state agents. But you're liberal because you're stupid (or perhaps the other way around), so that doesn't emerge from your analysis.
The Uvalde teachers were armed???…the cops should have first—- stopped the murderer outside…and second, when first failed, immediately stormed in and killed the sob instead of twiddling their thumbs and letting that deranged evil sob have time and free rein to murder those kids…
What a completely disconnected conclusion from the facts
Looks like these cops reacted to save their own coward asses
Purge the whole lot
Top down
One thing is for certain; we’ll never know if an armed teacher could have stopped this because there wasn’t one.
Great graphic
Everyone effing one from chief down should be dismissed with prejudice
Cowards
And they stopped dads from going in
I hate them
Jacked pussy cops
He just asserts it with no evidence whatsoever.
There may be a stupider article than this one published some time, but it will be hard to top.
“While all the details of the shooting are not yet clear, authorities’ accounts revealed that the gunman was confronted by multiple armed police officers — yet they were unable to stop him before he killed nearly two dozen people”
And what exactly happened?
It sounds dubious.
Almost every teacher in Israel is an IDF veteran because every one in Israel has to serve. American teachers are not cut from the same cloth, so arming them is a nice idea, but not suitable to the current teaching class. Better to take military and law enforcement veterans and pay them to guard schools. Allow qualified teachers to carry in addition.
Do you want this teacher carrying?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1529866883444330507
How about this one?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1529607425434988544
Ok, how about this one?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1528772165855846403
I spent a few years as a volunteer fireman.
I worked with many police officers and firemen.
They are not all brave.
The writer presents an idiotic argument, but my concern with arming teachers is that too many are angry, or ditzy.
And it’s very possible that some large student or group could rush a teacher and take the gun and use it.
Classroom doors should always be locked to prevent a shooter from walking in.
Nor do I expect them to be
Only a complete idiot could write this.
He did.....
This was a pretty good article for MSNBC...which doesn’t say a lot for MSNBC.
Typical leftist logical fallacy. Even if an armed guard failed to stop the killer from murdering children in this case, this does not mean an armed defense will never work. In the military, they train combined arms and layered defense. Why? Because no single attack or defense by itself is capable of dealing with all forms of opposition. You layer defense so an attacker who gets past the first layer will continue to be opposed.
The left loves to say if something is not 100% effective, then it’s a waste of time, like Trump’s wall. Of course the wall wasn’t going to stop all illegal immigration, but it was a valuable part of a layered defense against illegal immigration.
Truth be told, no defense will ever be perfect against a determined, intelligent opponent. Think Maginot Line. The attacker always has an advantage, but that doesn’t mean numerous steps can’t be taken to discourage and prevent some attacks. Arming teachers, for example, is one useful component of a layered school defense.
It shows some futility alright
Why do cops not have keys to the school in the station house?
Zeeshan Aleem, a good American name straight outs Compton? LOL.
“Given those details, I find it increasingly impossible to understand how one could believe that the solution to school shootings is arming teachers or having a security guard protecting every school. If a group of police officers couldn’t stop a shooter, then why would we expect an individual teacher or security guard to do better?”
( translated: You fakirs, all hope is lost!)
Look at Colorado whichi has traning avaailable so that school staff can be trained.And it works.
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Twenty school districts in Colorado have set up gun training program for teachers and administrators
Jun 24, 2017 | Featured
From the Denver Post:
. . . 17 teachers and administrators from five mostly rural counties . . . received intensive training this week on how to prevent — or at least minimize — a mass shooting at their schools, many of which are in far-flung areas where it would take law enforcement up to 30 minutes to respond.
Each participant already has a concealed handgun permit and is approved as a school security officer. As many as 20 Colorado school districts have designated teachers, administrators and other personnel as armed security.
But the course work laid out this week by Ohio-based FASTER — Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response — is much more intense than a typical concealed weapons class in Colorado, said participants. . . .
The discussion on Fox News understood the importance of keeping the identity of those with guns who will be carrying concealed.
. . . One of the teachers participating, Ronnie Wilson, says he hopes to open a K-12 charter school in Colorado Springs. He said he gets questions in equal numbers about school safety and academics from parents. “I’m looking for every possible venue and avenue to ensure the safety of students.”
“The kind of training that I have personally received is something beyond what I could have received through the sheriff’s office, just for my conceal-carry permit,” Wilson told Fox 31.
Wilson is the only one of the 17 teachers and staff who was willing to share his identity. Carno described the importance of hidden identities of armed teachers. “There’s a confidentiality aspect to all of this, as well. Each participating school district can decide how public — or private — it wants to be when it comes to having staff members at this training exercise, and who will be armed at school,” said Carno.
By protecting teacher’s schools and identities, the rest of the school is kept safer as well. Carno said, “it’s also for the staff members’ protection because no one wants a potential armed shooter to know in advance, which staff member will be armed at any given time.” . . .
UPDATE: Another article here at Fox News talks at teachers across the country getting training.
Teachers across the country are moving to the head of the class when it comes to learning how to use a gun.
With mass shootings seemingly becoming common place in classrooms across the country, teachers are learning how fire grade-A shots and starting to carry weapons in class. It’s an attempt to better protect their students and prevent the next Sandy Hook Elementary School or Columbine High School shooting.
Nearly a third of the country, a total of 18 states, allows adults to carry a loaded gun on school grounds, with certain permissions. But ever since the Sandy Hook shootings in 2012, in which 20 children and six adults were shot dead, some states have pushed for safety training initiatives for teachers to learn how to properly fire a weapon and prevent any threats to the classroom.
Hundreds of school teachers in Ohio, Colorado and elsewhere have been trained by an organization called Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response (FASTER). The group, operated by Ohio-based Buckeye Firearms Association, conducts a program that was created along with concerned parents, law officers and safety experts, according to a description of the group on its website. . . .
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