Posted on 03/09/2022 4:20:32 AM PST by MtnClimber
First, and most importantly, virtually no one in the US has got this right, including conservative outlets and pundits. Putin's a thug, but he's an excellent politician and a strong leader. And he’s not crazy, as some seem to surmise. He is a cold, calculating, strategic thinker who has disciplined his mind and body for decades. He’s a Russia first guy. Think Donald Trump minus all that hot air, Big Macs, and add a willingness to off his enemies.
We promised Russia we would not expand NATO when the Soviet Union fell. We went back on that promise and incorporated almost the entire Eastern Bloc into NATO.
Then after 9/11, Bush II unilaterally cancelled the '72 ABM treaty, which until then had frozen nuclear weapon development in the Soviet Union and the US, effectively ending the arms race. Bush's rationale was that we needed to develop new nuclear weapon tech to defeat terrorism. Like we were going to nuke Osama Bin Laden.
Bush's rationale for NATO expansion was also terrorism. So, Bush triggered a fresh arms race. Bush was a decent man, but the more time goes by, the more he looks like an absolute moron to me.
Ukraine belonged to Russia for centuries. They have almost identical cultures and languages. Kiev used to be the capital of Russia. Putin's war is a war of defense. Russia (rightly, in my view) feels threatened by NATO expansion. Russia is a mainly land-based, continental power which desires a buffer with the West. Ukraine serves that purpose perfectly.
The US triggered a coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014, overthrowing the democratically elected president who was Russia friendly, and installing a pro-western, pro-NATO leader. Putin has had his eye on Ukraine ever since but dared not do anything when Trump was in power
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
I never liked or trusted Vlad, but I gave him credit for being smarter that THIS
Read the OP and the Posters in this thread.
The OP supports Russian mythology about NATO and blames us for pissing off Putin.
Another poster posted a photo trying to claim Ukraine is indeed a Nazi country.
Read what is going on in this forum: they are not just saying "we shouldn't be involved," they are apologizing for the terrorist nation of Russia, an ally of every other terror nation and tyranny on planet Earth, from China and North Korea to Iran and the Latin American communists.
They are full on spreading Russian propaganda on this website, and some are even deliberately lying to do so, such as DesertRhino. Not just deceived, but actively engaging in things they know are lies but repeat them anyway.
These are absolutely Putinists and deserve the label.
what do you think we should do with Ukraine
I have never advocated bombing Russia or sending troops to Ukraine.
I like the sanctions but I do not know if they are going to crush our economy or not, or what is too much or too little.
I like the weapons being sent to Ukraine, and we should have been sending more weapons to them for weeks prior to this instead of trying to arm them at the last minute.
I think Truitt has a crush.
USS Alaska: The first paragraph puts President Trump in a great position, great leader, patriot, genius, yeah he eats Big Macs and bloviates, but we all know that is correct.
The author clearly doesn't "hate" President Trump.
You are too sensitive.
Thank you - that's a great, factual summary. (It's better than I would have written, because I might have replaced "too sensitive" with "a snowflake", and that might have "triggered" somebody unintentionally... ;>)
Mac, there are millions of Russian speaking Ukrainians, many of whom are protesting in mass numbers in the streets of eastern cities, and are killing Russian invaders in large numbers in Kharkiv, which is supposed to be a Russian city that would greet your relatives from Moscow with flowers.
It’s not happening.
The resistance of the Ukrainians has made it obvious what you are: a clown of clowns!
We only get one side of this, and we know it. So the SCARIEST PART, for me at least, was the way so many conservatives became Bidenistas, unquestionably believing the media narrative. I thought I’d never see that day.
LOL
This is nonsense. Putin was selected by the KGB. He has killed his opponents in Russia, having them shot to death on his birthday, using the power of the State to send them to jail, and is now threatening to put people in jail for calling the Ukrainian invasion an "invasion."
Russia is allies with every single one of our enemies: China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.
In what universe can you sit there, with a straight face, and say, "Trump and Putin are not deep state!" Why even mention Putin in the same sentence with Trump at all?
human trafficking
Hello, Russia and China are the centers of international terrorism in the world. They aid and support the Narco terrorists in Latin America (see Red Cocaine by Cliff Kinkaid), operate as a money laundering hub, and their mafias--which are under the control of their intelligence services--operate with the deliberate purpose of spreading human trafficking, drugs and destruction into western countries. It is what they do.
This Q-Tard BS conspiracy about Ukraine is designed to hide who our real enemies are.
"The US can't seem to kick its Cold War habit of looking at Russia as the enemy. The enemy, the real threat, is China..."
Great article!
One needs to understand one’s enemy whether one agrees with them or not.
The reports have been that Russia invaded Ukraine because it did not want it to become part of NATO. In 2014, it did not want Ukraine to become part of the EU. Of course Russia was meddling in Ukraine in 2014, as were the US and EU. Even Joe Xiden was directly involved assigned by the POTUS, traveled there ... 2nd highest person in all the US. This article takes it further back to “non-binding verbal agreements” between countries, the expansion of NATO into other formerly Soviet countries, and implies NATO continued on with the cold war and not adjusting to a post-cold war world.
Is that a “legitimate” gripe that Russia government might have or just a gripe about the Ukraine? The question does not support Putin’s decision on how to deal with its gripe, but I am not surprised after Xiden’s monumental failure in ealing with the fall of Afghanistan and his public appearances where he makes remarks that he is doing what he is being told to do, etc.
I better beat the correction, since I harped on history. Czechoslovakia was 1938 :)
Go to the Ukraine and fight if their independence means so much to you.
To sum up, it denied the Russian BS position about NATO.
You reply: "Go to the Ukraine and fight if their rindependence means so much to you."
Can you explain the logical connection between those two posts?
And why is it wrong to support Ukrainian independence?
You might not want sanctions, or military action. But it does not follow from this that it is wrong to support Ukrainian independence.
Are you able, in any rational way, to justify what you just wrote?
Thanks I got it and I choose to ignore most of them. And thanks for your short answer on what you would propose or support.
Undermining Russia’s invasion is a good tactic but as far as the strategy, the WH is inept, to be kind. The administrative state which is the constant force from one WH to the next ... don’t know if they have the right people in place, or do have the right people in place but they cannot get through to a POTUS who is mentally declining, and it’s the people around him who are influencing him, making the decisions for him. The fact that they have injected more than once the how the war is related to (almost secondary to) their environmental policies while Ukrainians are dying tells me that something is very wrong. Afghanistan failure was the canary in the coal mine for Ukraine ... and China is sitting back ...
Are you the author or is the author a friend of yours ? If constructive criticism is not desired please don’t post for constructive criticism. Please be informed
Dude...
I served in the military under jimmah cahtah...
I grew up during the cold war...
Yes, nato is a treaty designed to protect europe from the soviet union.
It had conditions that were to be met.
The only one meeting and exceeding these condition is the US.
If that damn continent cannot or will not meet their obligations under the treaty, then the treaty is null and void.
President Trump attempted to force the snooty snobs to meet the basic (minimal) obligations that they had under the treaty.
He failed.
NATO is a useless redundant organization that is supported almost entirely by the US.
If europe does not want to defend itself, why the hell should WE do it for them?
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Bravo. Good to see some here still have operational brains.
All I can say is, Soros and the “One world” cabal is EVERYONE”S enemy... All the rest of it is just diversion and....noise.
WTF? Urban fighting, (a Chechen forte) will be hell on earth!
He's turning it into a ‘religious’ bloodbath. Chechen's are Muslim and will LOVE killing Ukrainians!
Putting this into the equation is totally malicious and that genie will NEVER go back in the bottle!
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