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NEW CARS WILL NICKEL-AND-DIME YOU – IT’S AUTOMOTIVE AS A SERVICE (airbag requires monthly payment..and maybe good social credit?)
Hackaday ^ | December 30, 2021 | Lewin Day

Posted on 01/17/2022 8:14:40 PM PST by DoodleBob

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To: larrytown

My thoughts exactly. You see the people “cracking the ECUs” now to boost HP and other engine performance, it’s just a matter of time before it’s all the OTHER *CUs as well.

(Turn everything ON, turn the internet connection OFF)


21 posted on 01/17/2022 9:27:56 PM PST by FrankRizzo890
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To: DoodleBob

A few years ago, they tried to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (which protects things like photos on the internet) to prevent you or your car-handy friend (or even local mechanics) from being able to repair your car.


22 posted on 01/17/2022 9:50:30 PM PST by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

The safest system is the actual metal key type with the transponder attached. Someone would have to steal your key, car jack you or order a key from the manufacturer or dealer. Thus the increase in car jackings.

The new remote electronic fobs are hackable. It is being done with laptops last I saw.

If its wireless it can be hacked.


23 posted on 01/17/2022 9:57:02 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: DoodleBob

Didn’t GM start this with their *OnStar option?


24 posted on 01/17/2022 10:01:28 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Don W

Basically IBM started it with their Main frame computers. By


25 posted on 01/18/2022 1:01:55 AM PST by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: Karliner
I'm going to repaint my 1995 Nissan pickup. My 1971 Volkswagen Westfalia Camper is presently in a restoration shop. Have you seen auction prices on drivable cars from the 60s and 70s? ==8-O

Yes, it'll be expensive but, given the newest cars that dealers can't fix, I expect to drive it as long as I can still drive.

I parked it in 1997, fully expecting to put it back on the road eventually.

26 posted on 01/18/2022 2:03:27 AM PST by Does so (Americans had no desire for war in 1939 and 1941. Sometimes, War Finds You!)
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To: DoodleBob

Oy vey!


27 posted on 01/18/2022 3:20:25 AM PST by NetAddicted ( Just looking)
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To: Does so; Karliner

“I’m going to repaint my 1995 Nissan pickup. My 1971 Volkswagen Westfalia Camper is presently in a restoration shop. Have you seen auction prices on drivable cars from the 60s and 70s? ==8-O

Yes, it’ll be expensive but, given the newest cars that dealers can’t fix, I expect to drive it as long as I can still drive.”

Good on you both! It is not expensive at all in comparison to the cost of a new car with interest and the huge one... “Depreciation”. The value of a new car drops about 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot.


28 posted on 01/18/2022 3:29:04 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: DoodleBob

I have a 2016 Honda with enough electronics AND not too much electronics to keep me happy. No push button start, which I like. The electronics are still on the ignition key. Has an analog tachometer and speedometer. You use a dial to tune in radio stations. A CD player I rarely use/ plus I can insert a flash drive with tunes on it.

Right after 2016 they got rid of CD players and went over to flash drives.


29 posted on 01/18/2022 3:35:54 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Does so

My Datsun 510 station wagon was my favorite. Lots of adventures with that one.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Datsun+510+station+wagon&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover


30 posted on 01/18/2022 3:39:27 AM PST by dennisw
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To: setter

I have had relatively few problems with any of those electronic key fobs. The worst was when one accidentally got into the wash and it emerged clean but dead.

Supposedly, in my push button start car, if the battery ever went totally dead, there is a place on the steering column where you can physically hold the key and it will start. Never tried it, though.

My biggest gripe is that the car will occasionally complain that the battery needs to be replaced, even after a new battery is installed.

What’s interesting is that the car will complain about the battery when starting, but you can still do the lock/unlock function from hundreds of feet away with no problem.

It’s a good idea to buy a spare battery and keep it in the car just in case.


31 posted on 01/18/2022 3:41:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Media Control is an anagram of Delta Omicron.)
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To: DoodleBob

Controlled and managed serfs.


32 posted on 01/18/2022 3:41:49 AM PST by Kalamata
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To: Dr. Sivana

“and is one more mechanical element making cars more electronic and less mechanical, which I am not crazy about. (Except electronic fuel injection. I like that one.)”

Same here, been in the repair industry all my life and the only electronic advantages I have embraced are electronic fuel injection and ignition timing. If you added these to a Model T engine it would put out a whopping 25 Hp and get 30 MPG. lol

The T got anywhere from 13 to 21 MPG. All depending on how well the carb was tuned and how good the driver was at regulating the manual timing lever.


33 posted on 01/18/2022 3:46:33 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: setter
The owner had an employee drive me down to the gas station to buy a new battery.

Interesting, this past year my Jeep Compass gave me a warning on the front screen that the battery in my key fob was getting low so I replaced it.

Another useless feature that I hate is that "Start/Stop" function that you can turn off every time you start your car. Mine stopped working this past year and I thought it was learning from my constantly turning it off. Apparently that wasn't the case since a month ago I got another warning on the dashboard screen that said it was not functioning properly and needed immediate service.

So I had to drop the car off at the dealer for the day and the fix was they had to replace one of the batteries. (I guess it has two under the hood)

34 posted on 01/18/2022 3:48:16 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: setter

Another pet peeve is the 270 page owners manual. You try to find instructions on some potential feature and it says “if equipped”. So now you have to figure out if the car is equipped with it or not.....


35 posted on 01/18/2022 3:57:13 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: DoodleBob

Enough people want all the bells and whistles and cool gadgets on a car, and the rest of us have to pay for that crap because it becomes standard equipment.


36 posted on 01/18/2022 4:14:40 AM PST by Old Yeller (1776 em all. Let God sort it out.)
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To: Don W

When I purchased my 2022 Chevy truck, I refused to subscribe to the OnStar network and the XM-radio network that the salesman offered during the final checkout after the sale. He was flabbergasted. Why would anyone not want those services? I told him that the new truck was my backup for when my 2002 TrailBlazer died (which IMO is the finest vehicle that GM has ever produced). He was not impressed but finally gave up on the sales pitch.


37 posted on 01/18/2022 4:19:59 AM PST by ByteMercenary (Slo-Joe and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

There is now room for an entrant to come in and sell cars. Actual vehicles. The modern automobile is actually a computerized sensor platform on wheels.

It’s not a car.

Dodge announced no more ICE vehicles. Corporate suicide.


38 posted on 01/18/2022 4:28:05 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: ByteMercenary

I, too, have a 2002 Blazer. How many miles on yours?


39 posted on 01/18/2022 4:33:09 AM PST by griswold3 (When chaos serves the State, the State will encourage chaos)
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To: DoodleBob

I occasionally drive places without internet signals. Wouldn’t it be fun to get locked out of your car?

My current company car is a 2018 F150. It apparently has a lot of apps I can use. 110,000 miles later, I still haven’t gotten around to researching them.


40 posted on 01/18/2022 5:20:53 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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