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NEW CARS WILL NICKEL-AND-DIME YOU – IT’S AUTOMOTIVE AS A SERVICE (airbag requires monthly payment..and maybe good social credit?)
Hackaday ^ | December 30, 2021 | Lewin Day

Posted on 01/17/2022 8:14:40 PM PST by DoodleBob

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To: Openurmind

“The value of a new car drops about 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot.”

Before that.
As soon as you and the dealer sign the DMV paperwork for title transfer your brand spanking new car that you haven’t put one mile on becomes a “used” car.


41 posted on 01/18/2022 5:33:29 AM PST by oldvirginian (So if a cow doesn’t produce milk, is it a milk dud or an udder failure?)
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To: BobL

I agree. Back in the day, I knew one of the engineers who designed airbag systems for GM. He told me the trick to disabling them.

A week after I disabled the bags, we got run off the road by a semi at about 80 mph. As I was struggling to regain control on gravel, we narrowly missed a signpost. At that speed, I assume that even nicking the post would have set off the bags, knocking my hands off the wheel and rendering the car completely out of control.

I like the concept of side curtains but I’m not a real fan of frontal airbags


42 posted on 01/18/2022 5:34:02 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: cyclotic

“He told me the trick to disabling them.”

Yea, I guess you mean the ‘resistor’ trick. Best we not tell anyone else here, LOL.


43 posted on 01/18/2022 5:38:29 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: BobL

It was a long time ago and I’m guessing they put some fail-safe’s in since then.

They were Gen 1 rip your head off and kill your children airbags


44 posted on 01/18/2022 5:53:17 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: cyclotic

They are much better now (other than the exploding Takatas). I think their detonation level is variable, so they can respond appropriately to a given accident.

I know they were literally ripping heads off of infants (well over 100 of them). That must have been a bit annoying for the soccer moms who got into fender-benders during a milk run. Needless to say, the media, dutifully, spiked most of those stories, but it leaked out anyway.


45 posted on 01/18/2022 5:59:19 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: oldvirginian

True...


46 posted on 01/18/2022 6:13:21 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Does so

It cost me a little but the engine rebuild( took it to a machinist), clutch, radiator and hoses and a few knick-knacks still was much less than a used”someone elses problems” or some new car I could not afford. Still thousands cheaper than a used or new car

My car may not look great but I call it my Clive Cussler mobile after reading one of those books about a junky looking barge on the outside and yet all the inside was state of the art.


47 posted on 01/18/2022 6:21:05 AM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: cyclotic; DoodleBob

Check this out guys... Chipped keys are a huge issue too.

“The great key uh oh”

“I have an 01 WJ 4.7 with skim. My wife lost her key in November last year, and yesterday while fishing up river, my key fell out of my pocket into the mighty Kuskokwim River. What are my options for replacing/reprogramming/eliminating the skim? I have steel keys that work for the doors, and will turn it over. I am 400 air miles from the nearest dealership in southwest Alaska. Chrysler said any dealership can program keys based on my vin, our nearest dealer said Id need to bring either the Wj in, or at least my key. Since Im sol on that, and not spending 6-8k one way to freight my WJ to Anchorage, what can I do?”

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f5/great-key-uh-oh-239321/


48 posted on 01/18/2022 6:22:12 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Secret Agent Man

We’ll be more like Cuba in no time at all. You just thought parts for a 50’s Chevy were already hard to get.


49 posted on 01/18/2022 6:22:29 AM PST by revetment
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To: RinaseaofDs
There is now room for an entrant to come in and sell cars. [ . . . ] Dodge announced no more ICE vehicles. Corporate suicide.

1, Cars that you picture have been regulated out of existence. Regs effectively require electronic rear view cameras, traction control, an assortment of air bags, high profiles, etc. 2026 regs call for 50 mpg. No ICE car worth having that meets safety and emission regs can do that.

2. The car manufacturers see that Red China by diktat, and EU and the USA by ever creeping regs, are making electric cars mandatory. Complaining about it won't let them keep market share in the new system.

3. DODGE is not discontinuing all ICE vehicles. The CHRYSLER BRAND is. Chrysler Corporation and Chrysler's model line are often confused. Chrysler brand has all of two vehicles, the Pacifica minivan and the 300. The 300 is half killed off anyway. That said, Stellantis IS killing off the high powered V-8's for Dodge, Jeep and Dodge Trucks/RAM. I would describe that as more of a homicide than a suicide.
50 posted on 01/18/2022 6:45:22 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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To: revetment
You just thought parts for a 50’s Chevy were already hard to get.

That is doable, especially popular models like the '57 Bel Air. I had a problem 15 years ago getting parts for my C-Body '65 Chrysler 300 2-door hardtop coupe. They never had the market niche that the A/B/E Bodies (Charger, Challenger, Road Runner, Dart, 'Cuda) have. I am hopeful that 3D printing can take care of some small hard to find parts.
51 posted on 01/18/2022 6:50:46 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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To: DoodleBob

I can’t believe that it would be legal for a company to disable airbags for lack of a fee payment since airbags are a federally required feature.

If they tried this and people got killed or badly injured when the airbags didn’t work, the lawsuits would be interesting.


52 posted on 01/18/2022 7:01:15 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Media Control is an anagram of Delta Omicron.)
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To: setter

# I drove to a local businesse last week and guess what? Trying to start the car and the battery in the key fob went out and the car would not start.

I actually asked about this when I bought my last car. They said that even if the batter is dead, you could put the fob on the dash, and the car would start via an NFC. I tested that proposition by popping the battery, and it worked. Those of you who have one of these fob things might want to try that out yourself, just for peace of mind. Obviously, this won’t work for remote start.


53 posted on 01/18/2022 7:03:00 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton; setter
“Trying to start the car and the battery in the key fob went out and the car would not start.”

A lot of later model cars that use the proximity fob have a spot in the center console you can place your dead fob to start the car. Likely an RFID chip in the fob that the car can ping.

54 posted on 01/18/2022 7:20:53 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: BobL

How did they rip off an infants head if the infants were in the back seat?


55 posted on 01/18/2022 9:24:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Openurmind

That was a fascinating thread. Thanks


56 posted on 01/18/2022 9:41:33 AM PST by perfect stranger
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To: TangoLimaSierra

“A lot of later model cars that use the proximity fob have a spot in the center console you can place your dead fob to start the car. Likely an RFID chip in the fob that the car can ping.”

Yes. My car can start with the fob in the cup holder if the battery in the fob is dead. There is also a key inside the fob to unlock the driver’s door.


57 posted on 01/18/2022 9:55:26 AM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: perfect stranger

And thank you for actually going and reading it. :)

Can you just imagine the situation that guy was in? I have to share that that conversation helped reaffirm why I just refuse to own vehicle like that. And why isn’t there an override so that the real OWNER can get control of his own vehicle back from the manufacturer? A button/pedal sequence or SOMETHING after the unchipped key turns the ignition. It does not perpetually belong to Jeep/Chrysler.

TOO MUCH security is now becoming too much and they are locking out the very owners of the vehicle. If it is to that point then let hem seal it. Insurance has you covered. Better than having your vehicle being a paper weight in remote Alaska 400 miles by ferry ride from a dealer to make it work again...

Better off with a 60s VW bug and take the distributor cap off and take it with you in a bag... Or the rotor in your back pocket and a spare rotor duct taped under the bonnet somewhere hidden. :)

This guy’s situation could have killed him if a blizzard blew through...


58 posted on 01/18/2022 1:56:02 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: AppyPappy

Not all infants (or kids) are in the back seat. Here in Texas, if I were driving alone, my kid was in far more danger of me forgetting about him in the back seat than a once in a lifetime accident, which is why I had to disable the airbags and put tinting on the front windows.


59 posted on 01/18/2022 2:37:42 PM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Mechanical is one thing. If it was built once, it can be remanufactured (economically is another matter).

All the electronics and software are another and beyond me.

Used to see this back and forth argument regarding military hardware. quanitity vs quality and how much tech you really need as opposed to quantity that could actually be brought to bear.


60 posted on 01/20/2022 8:05:42 AM PST by revetment
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