THE REBELLION: No Movement of the Armies of the Potomac; Wholesale Arrests of Members of the Maryland Legislature; Important from Gen. Fremont’s Column (9/19/1861)

Yeah sure Reb whatever. Keep talking out your ass you Lost Cause Loser. .

We joke about this, but I have come to realize that this business of people believing things against all evidence and common sense has become an all too common form of "mass hysteria."

In the instant case, he cited the exact number of slaves (16) which the New Jersey state site said waited to be freed by the 1/23/1866 NJ ratification of the 13th Amendment; and within two days is back to stating New Jersey had no slaves that needed freeing by the 13th Amendment. He knows the exact number and chooses to ignore his own evidence when he feels like it.

We are living in an "Emperor's New Clothes" society and people have lost the ability to think rationally. They simply accept what the leading voices in society tell them without resorting to any critical thinking of their own.

The education system, if it can be called that, has failed its mission of teaching the three R's and critical thinking; but apparently has been quite successful at the new mission of indoctrination in idiocracy.

People are all too willing to believe insane things, and will deny any evidence which shows them otherwise.

How about a snake oil salesman who promises 3.5T of snake oil with a zero dollar cost plan? Can any rational person believe that? Some believe the government can give away free money with no consequences. Inflation is the evidence that will serve as a wakeup call—just a bit late.

We seem to be doing positively wonderful compared to Australia. Citizens, give up your guns and you will all be safe. If they ever get out of lockdown, perhaps they will adopt an Aussie equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. We have a growing contingent that believe the nonsense that 2A does not protect an individual right.

What American history class teaches anything even approximating a true and accurate retelling of the events surrounding the adoption (or pronouncement of adoption) of the 13th and 14th amendments?

For some folks who have believed a falsehood all their life, perceived evidence to the contrary is what seems insane. The falsehood has become their reality. They are conditioned to defend their belief, even where it makes no sense to others.

Keep talking out your ass you Lost Cause Loser.

Well, bless your heart for the invite.

After the war was decided, men of the South accepted the situation of affairs in good faith. The questions which had divided the sentiment of the people of the two sections, slavery and State rights, or the right of a State to secede from the Union, were regarded as having been settled forever by the highest tribunal, arms.

There was such general acquiescence in the authority of the government throughout the southern states, that the mere presence of a military force, without regard to numbers, was sufficient to maintain order. The good of the country, and required that the force kept in the interior, where there are many freedmen. Elsewhere in the Southern States, other than at coastal forts, no force was necessary.

In some of the States, the Freedman's Bureau affairs were not conducted with good judgment, and the belief, widely spread among the freedmen of the Southern States, that the lands of their former owners would, at least in part, be divided among them, has came from agents of this bureau.

Many, perhaps the majority, of the agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau advised the freedmen that they were expected to live by their own industry. They worked to secure employment for them. In some instances, the freedman’s mind was not disabused of the idea that a freedman had the right to live without care or provision for the future. The effect of the belief in division of lands was idleness and accumulation in camps, towns, and cities.

Am I right, or am I a Lost Causer? You can say it. You know I'm right.

The Freedman's Bureau was hated by Southern whites because Southern whites felt it attempted to make Whites feel inferior to Blacks. Ultimately the Freedman's Bureau was under funded and eventually failed. Reconstruction was resisted in the South, resentful at was felt as Union occupation . And no, you're not right about anything concerning the CW. You like your buddy Diogenes get your head handed to by Bro Joe K, whom you never can refute and then like a petulant child you come after me.

You're so predictable.

woodpusher: "Am I right, or am I a Lost Causer? You can say it. You know I'm right."

jmacusa: "The Freedman's Bureau was hated by Southern whites... "

And occasionally resisted:

"Perhaps the most difficult region reported by the Freedmen's Bureau was Louisiana's Caddo and Bossier parishes in the northwest part of the state.
It had not suffered wartime devastation or Union occupation, but white hostility was high against the black majority population.
Well-meaning Bureau agents were understaffed and weakly supported by federal troops, and found their investigations blocked and authority undermined at every turn by recalcitrant plantation owners.
Murders of freedmen were common, and white suspects in these cases were not prosecuted..."

"...Other freedmen were killed or driven from their land by Arkansas Desperadoes.[32]
Whites were anxious about their power as blacks were to receive the franchise, and tensions were rising over land use.
In early October [1868], blacks arrested two whites from Arkansas "accused of being part of a mob ... that killed several Negroes."
The [Freedman's Bureau] agent reported 14 blacks had been killed in this incident, then said that another eight to ten had been killed by the same Desperadoes.
Blacks were reported to have killed the two white men in the altercation.[32]
The whites' Arkansas friends and local whites went on a rampage against blacks in the area, resulting in more than 150 blacks being killed.[33][32].... "

And then there were lynchings:

"The first severe period of violence in the South was between 1868 and 1871.
White Democrats attacked black and white Republicans to suppress their voting in elections.[42]
To prevent ratification of new

constitutions formed during Reconstruction, the opposition used various means to harass potential voters.
Failed attacks led to a massacre during the 1868 elections, with the insurgents' murders of about 1,300 voters across various southern states ranging from South Carolina to Arkansas."

And just so we're clear, those murderous insurgents were Democrats, still at war against the United States in 1868, as they are today.

So the Freedmen's Bureaus were very unpopular among Southern Whites and their opposition succeeded in getting Congress to abolish Freedmen's Bureaus in 1872, a full four+ years before the Union's Great Retreat from the South in 1877.
That Union withdrawal of troops enabled Southern white Democrats to retake political power and effectively nullify the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments for nearly 100 years.

In the instant case, he cited the exact number of slaves (16) which the New Jersey state site said waited to be freed by the 1/23/1866 NJ ratification of the 13th Amendment; and within two days is back to stating New Jersey had no slaves that needed freeing by the 13th Amendment. He knows the exact number and chooses to ignore his own evidence when he feels like it.

Ah, so you've met BroJoeK? :)

I made the same point to him years ago. Since they still had slaves in northern states, you can't claim to have abolished slavery. The existence of slaves means you still have slavery. It isn't gone yet.

The education system, if it can be called that, has failed its mission of teaching the three R's and critical thinking; but apparently has been quite successful at the new mission of indoctrination in idiocracy.

I think it is a combination of things, and the primary component is prosperity. It not only induces people to indulge idiocy, it creates the situation where incompetent unqualified people are tolerated as "teachers."

I believe the old adage, "Hard times make Hard Men" applies. When life is harder and mistakes have painful consequences, people are less willing to make or tolerate foolishness. We are becoming victims of our own success through the promulgation and indulgence of stupidity, and this is because the consequences to foolish thinking aren't serious... yet.

For some folks who have believed a falsehood all their life, perceived evidence to the contrary is what seems insane.

This. I have been having a recent conversation with another freeper to whom I believe this concept applies exactly.

The falsehood has become their reality. They are conditioned to defend their belief, even where it makes no sense to others.

I saw a very good meme circulating on another website. Some Actress bimbo opines that "Men shouldn't have opinions on abortion because men don't get pregnant."

Someone writes below her comment: "Well nowadays men get pregnant too."

:)

woodpusher #123
After the war was decided, men of the South accepted the situation of affairs in good faith. The questions which had divided the sentiment of the people of the two sections, slavery and State rights, or the right of a State to secede from the Union, were regarded as having been settled forever by the highest tribunal, arms.
There was such general acquiescence in the authority of the government throughout the southern states, that the mere presence of a military force, without regard to numbers, was sufficient to maintain order. The good of the country, and required that the force kept in the interior, where there are many freedmen. Elsewhere in the Southern States, other than at coastal forts, no force was necessary.
In some of the States, the Freedman's Bureau affairs were not conducted with good judgment, and the belief, widely spread among the freedmen of the Southern States, that the lands of their former owners would, at least in part, be divided among them, has came from agents of this bureau.
Many, perhaps the majority, of the agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau advised the freedmen that they were expected to live by their own industry. They worked to secure employment for them. In some instances, the freedman’s mind was not disabused of the idea that a freedman had the right to live without care or provision for the future. The effect of the belief in division of lands was idleness and accumulation in camps, towns, and cities.
Am I right, or am I a Lost Causer? You can say it. You know I'm right.

[jmacusa #124] The Freedman's Bureau was hated by Southern whites because Southern whites felt it attempted to make Whites feel inferior to Blacks. Ultimately the Freedman's Bureau was under funded and eventually failed. Reconstruction was resisted in the South, resentful at was felt as Union occupation. And no, you're not right about anything concerning the CW.

So, you think ULYSSES S. GRANT was not right about anything as quoted in my #123.

After the fighting ended, and before reconstruction began, the radicals lauched a propaganda campaign against the South. Frank Conner, in his highly esteemed book, The South Under Siege 1830-2000, noted at page 183, "President Johnson doubted the veracity of this new propaganda campaign, so he sent his own agency (including Ulysses S. Grant—not a noted sympathizer of the Confederate cause) southward to find out what was really happening there."

General Ulysses S. Grant filed his findings with President Andrew Johnson, and by good fortune I have a copy. You may find my statements at my #123 came directly from General Grant, and are largely direct quotations; so framed to enable you to make a fool of yourself yet again, this time by railing against the words of Ulysses S. Grant.

You really must add Ulysses S. GRANT to your ever growing list of Lost Causers who were not correct about anything concerning the civil war.

Headquarters
Armies of the United States,
Washington, D. C., Dec. 18, 1865.
Sir: In reply to your note of the 16th instant, requesting a report from me giving such information as I may be possessed of coming within the scope of the inquiries made by the Senate of the United States in their resolution of the 12th instant, I have the honor to submit the following:
With your approval, and also that of the honorable Secretary of War, I left Washington City on the 27th of last month for the purpose of making a tour of inspection through some of the Southern States, or States lately in rebellion, and to see what changes were necessary to be made in the disposition of the military forces of the country; how these forces could be reduced and expenses curtailed, &c.; and to learn, as far as possible, the feelings and intentions of the citizens of those States towards the general government.
The State of Virginia being so accessible to Washington City, and information from this quarter, therefore, being readily obtained, I hastened through the State without conversing or meeting with any of its citizens. In Raleigh, N.C., I spent one day; in Charleston, S.C., two days; Savannah and Augusta. Ga., each one day. Both in travelling and while stopping I saw much and conversed freeley with the citizens of those States as well as with officers of the army who have been stationed among them. The following are the conclusions come to by me.
I am satisfied that the mass of thinking men of the South accept the present situation of affairs in good faith. The questions which have heretofore divided the sentiment of the people of the two sections—slavery and State rights, or the right of a State to secede from the Union—they regard as having been settled forever by the highest tribunal—arms—that man can resort to, I was pleased to learn from the leading men whom I met that they not only accepted the decision arrived at as final, but, now that the smoke of battle has cleared away and time has been given for reflection, that this decision has been a fortunate one for the whole country, they receiving like benefits from it with those who opposed them in the field and in council.
Four years of war, during which law was executed only at the point of the bayonet throughout the States in rebellion, have left the people possibly in a condition not to yield that ready obedience to civil authority the American people have generally been in the habit of yielding. This would render the presence of small garrisons throughout those States necessary until such time as labor returns to its proper channel, and civil authority is fully established. I did not meet any one, either those holding places under the government or citizens of the Southern States, who think it practicable to withdraw the military from the South at present. The white and the black mutually require the protection of the general government.
There is such universal acquiescence in the authority of the general government throughout the portions of country visited by me, that the mere presence of a military force, without regard to numbers, is sufficient to maintain order. The good of the country, and economy, require that the force kept in the interior, where there are many freedmen, (elsewhere in the Southern States than at forts upon the seacoast no force is necessary,) should all be white troops. The reasons for this are obvious without mentioning many of them. The presence of black troops, lately slaves, demoralizes labor, both by their advice and by furnishing in their camps a resort for the freedmen for long distances around. White troops generally excite no opposition, and therefore a small number of them can maintain order in a given district. Colored troops must be kept in bodies sufficient to defend themselves. It is not the thinking men who wonld use violence towards any class of troops sent among them by the general government, but the ignorant in some places might; and the late slave seems to be imbued with the idea that the property of his late master should, by right, belong to him, or at least should have no protection from the colored soldier. There is danger of collisions being brought on by such cauees.
My observations lead me to the conclusion that the citizens of the Southern States are anxious to return to self-government, within the Union, as soon as possible; that whilst reconstructing they want and require protection from the government; that they are in earnest in wishing to do what they think is required by the government, not humiliating to them as citizens, and that if such a course were pointed out they would pursue it in good faith. It is to be regretted that there cannot be a greater commingling, at this time, between the citizens of the two sections, and particularly of those intrusted with the law-making power.
I did not give the operations of the Freedmen’s Bureau that attention I would have done if more time had been at my disposal. Conversations on the subject, however, with officers connected with the bureau, lead me to think that, in some of the States, its affairs have not been conducted with good judgment or economy, and that the belief, widely spread among the freedmen of the Southern States, that the lands of their former owners will, at least in part, be divided among them, has come from agents of this bureau. This belief is seriously interfering with the willingness of the freedmen to make contracts for the coming year. In some form the Freedmen’s Bureau is an absolute necessity until civil law is established and enforced, securing to the freedmen their rights and full protection. At present, however, it is independent of the military establishment of the country, and seems to be operated by the different agents of the bureau according to their individual notions. Everywhere General Howard, the able head of the bureau, made friends by the just and fair instructions and advice he gave; but the complaint in South Carolina was that when he left, things went on as before. Many, perhaps the majority, of the agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau advise the freedmen that by their own industry they must expect to live. To this end they endeavor to secure employment for them, and to see that both contracting parties comply with their engagements. In some instances, I am sorry to say, the freedman’s mind does not seem to be disabused of the idea that a freedman has the right to live without care or provision for the future. The effect of the belief in division of lands is idleness and accumulation in camps, towns, and cities. In such cases I think it will be found that vice and disease will tend to the extermination or great reduction of the colored race. It cannot be expected that the opinions held by men at the South for years can be changed in a day, and therefore the freedmen require, for a few years, not only laws to protect them, but the fostering care of those who will give them good counsel, and on whom they rely.
The Freedmen’s Bureau being separated from the military establishment of the country, requires all the expense of a separate organization. One does not necessarily know what the other is doing, or what orders they are acting under. It seems to me this could be corrected by rewardng every officer on duty with troops in the Southern States as an agent of the Freedmen’s Bureau, and then have all orders from the head of the bureau sent through department commanders. This would create a responsibility that would secure uniformity of action throughout all the South; would insure the orders and instructions from the head of the bureau being carried out, and would relieve from duty and pay a large number of employees of the government.
I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
U. S. GRANT,
Lieutenant General.
His Excellency Andrew Johnson,
President of the United States.

woodpusher #123
After the war was decided, men of the South accepted the situation of affairs in good faith. The questions which had divided the sentiment of the people of the two sections, slavery and State rights, or the right of a State to secede from the Union, were regarded as having been settled forever by the highest tribunal, arms.
There was such general acquiescence in the authority of the government throughout the southern states, that the mere presence of a military force, without regard to numbers, was sufficient to maintain order. The good of the country, and required that the force kept in the interior, where there are many freedmen. Elsewhere in the Southern States, other than at coastal forts, no force was necessary.
In some of the States, the Freedman's Bureau affairs were not conducted with good judgment, and the belief, widely spread among the freedmen of the Southern States, that the lands of their former owners would, at least in part, be divided among them, has came from agents of this bureau.
Many, perhaps the majority, of the agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau advised the freedmen that they were expected to live by their own industry. They worked to secure employment for them. In some instances, the freedman’s mind was not disabused of the idea that a freedman had the right to live without care or provision for the future. The effect of the belief in division of lands was idleness and accumulation in camps, towns, and cities.
Am I right, or am I a Lost Causer? You can say it. You know I'm right.

[BroJoeK #125 to woodpusher #123]
And occasionally resisted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen%27s_Bureau#Continuing_insurgency
[...] "Perhaps the most difficult region reported by the Freedmen's Bureau was Louisiana's Caddo and Bossier parishes in the northwest part of the state.
[...]
And then there were lynchings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States#Reconstruction_(1865%E2%80%931877)
"The first severe period of violence in the South was between 1868 and 1871.
[...]
And just so we're clear, those murderous insurgents were Democrats, still at war against the United States in 1868, as they are today.

Just so we're clear, nothing from your Wikipedia links is relevant to whether anything in my #123 was accurate or false. One may be sure that the Wikipedia first severe period of violence in 1868 did not cause Reconstruction to be instituted.

You artfully dodged the direct question of whether my statements in my #123 were right, or in your expert opinion as a titan of Wikipedia historical research, they would merit my relegation to your ever growing list of Lost Causers, to include, but not limited to, Roy P. Basler, Editor of the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln and former editor-in-chief of the Abraham Lincoln Association (see #114), and Abraham Lincoln himself (see #111).

It appears that you consider that the name of Ulysses S. Grant to also requires being enrolled in your ever growing list of Lost Causers.

After the fighting ended, and before reconstruction began, the radicals launched a propaganda campaign against the South. Frank Conner, in his highly esteemed book, The South Under Siege 1830-2000, noted at page 183, "President Johnson doubted the veracity of this new propaganda campaign, so he sent his own agency (including Ulysses S. Grant—not a noted sympathizer of the Confederate cause) southward to find out what was really happening there."

General Ulysses S. Grant filed his findings with President Andrew Johnson, and by good fortune I have a copy. You may find my statements at my #123 came directly from General Grant, and are largely direct quotations, so framed to enable BroJoeBidenK to make fools of himself yet again, this time by railing against the words of Ulysses S. Grant.

Headquarters
Armies of the United States,
Washington, D. C., Dec. 18, 1865.
Sir: In reply to your note of the 16th instant, requesting a report from me giving such information as I may be possessed of coming within the scope of the inquiries made by the Senate of the United States in their resolution of the 12th instant, I have the honor to submit the following:
With your approval, and also that of the honorable Secretary of War, I left Washington City on the 27th of last month for the purpose of making a tour of inspection through some of the Southern States, or States lately in rebellion, and to see what changes were necessary to be made in the disposition of the military forces of the country; how these forces could be reduced and expenses curtailed, &c.; and to learn, as far as possible, the feelings and intentions of the citizens of those States towards the general government.
The State of Virginia being so accessible to Washington City, and information from this quarter, therefore, being readily obtained, I hastened through the State without conversing or meeting with any of its citizens. In Raleigh, N.C., I spent one day; in Charleston, S.C., two days; Savannah and Augusta. Ga., each one day. Both in travelling and while stopping I saw much and conversed freeley with the citizens of those States as well as with officers of the army who have been stationed among them. The following are the conclusions come to by me.
I am satisfied that the mass of thinking men of the South accept the present situation of affairs in good faith. The questions which have heretofore divided the sentiment of the people of the two sections—slavery and State rights, or the right of a State to secede from the Union—they regard as having been settled forever by the highest tribunal—arms—that man can resort to, I was pleased to learn from the leading men whom I met that they not only accepted the decision arrived at as final, but, now that the smoke of battle has cleared away and time has been given for reflection, that this decision has been a fortunate one for the whole country, they receiving like benefits from it with those who opposed them in the field and in council.
Four years of war, during which law was executed only at the point of the bayonet throughout the States in rebellion, have left the people possibly in a condition not to yield that ready obedience to civil authority the American people have generally been in the habit of yielding. This would render the presence of small garrisons throughout those States necessary until such time as labor returns to its proper channel, and civil authority is fully established. I did not meet any one, either those holding places under the government or citizens of the Southern States, who think it practicable to withdraw the military from the South at present. The white and the black mutually require the protection of the general government.
There is such universal acquiescence in the authority of the general government throughout the portions of country visited by me, that the mere presence of a military force, without regard to numbers, is sufficient to maintain order. The good of the country, and economy, require that the force kept in the interior, where there are many freedmen, (elsewhere in the Southern States than at forts upon the seacoast no force is necessary,) should all be white troops. The reasons for this are obvious without mentioning many of them. The presence of black troops, lately slaves, demoralizes labor, both by their advice and by furnishing in their camps a resort for the freedmen for long distances around. White troops generally excite no opposition, and therefore a small number of them can maintain order in a given district. Colored troops must be kept in bodies sufficient to defend themselves. It is not the thinking men who wonld use violence towards any class of troops sent among them by the general government, but the ignorant in some places might; and the late slave seems to be imbued with the idea that the property of his late master should, by right, belong to him, or at least should have no protection from the colored soldier. There is danger of collisions being brought on by such cauees.
My observations lead me to the conclusion that the citizens of the Southern States are anxious to return to self-government, within the Union, as soon as possible; that whilst reconstructing they want and require protection from the government; that they are in earnest in wishing to do what they think is required by the government, not humiliating to them as citizens, and that if such a course were pointed out they would pursue it in good faith. It is to be regretted that there cannot be a greater commingling, at this time, between the citizens of the two sections, and particularly of those intrusted with the law-making power.
I did not give the operations of the Freedmen’s Bureau that attention I would have done if more time had been at my disposal. Conversations on the subject, however, with officers connected with the bureau, lead me to think that, in some of the States, its affairs have not been conducted with good judgment or economy, and that the belief, widely spread among the freedmen of the Southern States, that the lands of their former owners will, at least in part, be divided among them, has come from agents of this bureau. This belief is seriously interfering with the willingness of the freedmen to make contracts for the coming year. In some form the Freedmen’s Bureau is an absolute necessity until civil law is established and enforced, securing to the freedmen their rights and full protection. At present, however, it is independent of the military establishment of the country, and seems to be operated by the different agents of the bureau according to their individual notions. Everywhere General Howard, the able head of the bureau, made friends by the just and fair instructions and advice he gave; but the complaint in South Carolina was that when he left, things went on as before. Many, perhaps the majority, of the agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau advise the freedmen that by their own industry they must expect to live. To this end they endeavor to secure employment for them, and to see that both contracting parties comply with their engagements. In some instances, I am sorry to say, the freedman’s mind does not seem to be disabused of the idea that a freedman has the right to live without care or provision for the future. The effect of the belief in division of lands is idleness and accumulation in camps, towns, and cities. In such cases I think it will be found that vice and disease will tend to the extermination or great reduction of the colored race. It cannot be expected that the opinions held by men at the South for years can be changed in a day, and therefore the freedmen require, for a few years, not only laws to protect them, but the fostering care of those who will give them good counsel, and on whom they rely.
The Freedmen’s Bureau being separated from the military establishment of the country, requires all the expense of a separate organization. One does not necessarily know what the other is doing, or what orders they are acting under. It seems to me this could be corrected by rewardng every officer on duty with troops in the Southern States as an agent of the Freedmen’s Bureau, and then have all orders from the head of the bureau sent through department commanders. This would create a responsibility that would secure uniformity of action throughout all the South; would insure the orders and instructions from the head of the bureau being carried out, and would relieve from duty and pay a large number of employees of the government.
I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
U. S. GRANT,
Lieutenant General.
His Excellency Andrew Johnson,
President of the United States.

Ah, so you've met BroJoeK? :)

I am quite familiar with his legendary status as one of the internet titans of historical research primarily based on Wikipedia and a Ouija board.

BroJoeK #104 (3 Oct 2021)

In the 1790 census New Jersey reported 11,423 slaves.
In the 1860 census New Jersey reported 18 slaves.
Of those 18, 16 remained to be freed by the 13th Amendment in 1865.

The link is naturally from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_Jersey

The introductory section states, in relevant part:

The last 16 enslaved Africans in New Jersey were freed in 1865 by the Thirteenth Amendment.[5]

The footnote sources to PBS with a dead link 404.

The section on Abolition of Slavery states:

It was not until 1846 that New Jersey abolished slavery, but it qualified it by redefining former slaves as apprentices who were "apprenticed for life" to their masters.[27][30] Slavery did not truly end in the state until it was ended nationally in 1865 after the American Civil War and passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution. <

In my reply at #105, I pointed out the obvious that "If 16 slaves remained in New Jersey, to be freed by the 13th Amendment, it is obvious even to a moron that slavery continued in New Jersey until the 13th Amendment."

BrojoeK #109 (5 Oct 2021) claimed:

DL quoting woodpusher: "The war ended with slavery still lawful in several northern states. "
Noooo, by April, 1865, only two Union states had not passed abolition laws: Kentucky & Delaware.

In my response at #116, I linked, cited and quoted the official site of the State of New Jersey, Department of State, New Jersey Historical Commission, page entitled, "New Jersey, The Last Northern State to End Slavery."

That NJ historical site provided the statistic of 16 slaves and more.

But we must remember that there were still enslaved Black men and women in New Jersey even after Juneteenth. Imagine, New Jersey’s death grip on slavery meant that until December 1865, six months after enslaved men, women, and children in Texas found out they were cheated of their freedom, approximately 16 African Americans were still technically enslaved in New Jersey.
But Why and How?
While there were many Black, mixed-race, and white people in New Jersey who fought against slavery, most legislators refused to condemn the institution. Profits from slaveholding organizations had built and maintained the state’s major cities and regional centers like Newark and those in Bergen County.
Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free enslaved African Americans in the Northern States; it freed only those in the mostly southern "rebellious states." Two years later, New Jersey bitterly refused to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, the United States Constitutional Amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude across the country.
Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas.

I made the same point to him years ago. Since they still had slaves in northern states, you can't claim to have abolished slavery. The existence of slaves means you still have slavery. It isn't gone yet.

BroJoeBidenK has conclusively proven that he can and did claim that NJ had slaves freed by the 13th Amendment, and also claimed that NJ had no slaves left to be freed by the time the 13th Amendment was adopted. It is like "Corn Pop" Joe Biden can claim his $3.5T Build Back Better plan will cost $0.00. It is the art of malarkey.

Grant defeated Lee, didn't he? You cut and paste very nicely.
And the South by and large didn't accept their defeat gracefully despite Lincoln telling grant as he left for Appomattox "Let them up easy''. Lee could at least understand the war was lost. Davis wanted to continue fighting it from Mexico. To make my statement clear, what your view of the CW is wrong. I'm not a history professor and neither are you. Bro Joe K on the other hand is and the man knows the subject. He makes you look like an idiot every time you try to engage him.

Hilarious. You have them calling U.S. Grant “A Lost Causer”.

That’s going to leave a mark. And will always be good for a laugh.

I’ve never read that....fascinating..

Oh man....my chihuahua knows I think what I’m reading