Ah, so you've met BroJoeK? :)
I made the same point to him years ago. Since they still had slaves in northern states, you can't claim to have abolished slavery. The existence of slaves means you still have slavery. It isn't gone yet.
The education system, if it can be called that, has failed its mission of teaching the three R's and critical thinking; but apparently has been quite successful at the new mission of indoctrination in idiocracy.
I think it is a combination of things, and the primary component is prosperity. It not only induces people to indulge idiocy, it creates the situation where incompetent unqualified people are tolerated as "teachers."
I believe the old adage, "Hard times make Hard Men" applies. When life is harder and mistakes have painful consequences, people are less willing to make or tolerate foolishness. We are becoming victims of our own success through the promulgation and indulgence of stupidity, and this is because the consequences to foolish thinking aren't serious... yet.
For some folks who have believed a falsehood all their life, perceived evidence to the contrary is what seems insane.
This. I have been having a recent conversation with another freeper to whom I believe this concept applies exactly.
The falsehood has become their reality. They are conditioned to defend their belief, even where it makes no sense to others.
I saw a very good meme circulating on another website. Some Actress bimbo opines that "Men shouldn't have opinions on abortion because men don't get pregnant."
Someone writes below her comment: "Well nowadays men get pregnant too."
:)
Ah, so you've met BroJoeK? :)
I am quite familiar with his legendary status as one of the internet titans of historical research primarily based on Wikipedia and a Ouija board.
BroJoeK #104 (3 Oct 2021)
In the 1790 census New Jersey reported 11,423 slaves.
In the 1860 census New Jersey reported 18 slaves.
Of those 18, 16 remained to be freed by the 13th Amendment in 1865.
The link is naturally from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_Jersey
The introductory section states, in relevant part:
The last 16 enslaved Africans in New Jersey were freed in 1865 by the Thirteenth Amendment.[5]
The footnote sources to PBS with a dead link 404.
The section on Abolition of Slavery states:
It was not until 1846 that New Jersey abolished slavery, but it qualified it by redefining former slaves as apprentices who were "apprenticed for life" to their masters.[27][30] Slavery did not truly end in the state until it was ended nationally in 1865 after the American Civil War and passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution. <
In my reply at #105, I pointed out the obvious that "If 16 slaves remained in New Jersey, to be freed by the 13th Amendment, it is obvious even to a moron that slavery continued in New Jersey until the 13th Amendment."
BrojoeK #109 (5 Oct 2021) claimed:
DL quoting woodpusher: "The war ended with slavery still lawful in several northern states. "Noooo, by April, 1865, only two Union states had not passed abolition laws: Kentucky & Delaware.
In my response at #116, I linked, cited and quoted the official site of the State of New Jersey, Department of State, New Jersey Historical Commission, page entitled, "New Jersey, The Last Northern State to End Slavery."
That NJ historical site provided the statistic of 16 slaves and more.
But we must remember that there were still enslaved Black men and women in New Jersey even after Juneteenth. Imagine, New Jersey’s death grip on slavery meant that until December 1865, six months after enslaved men, women, and children in Texas found out they were cheated of their freedom, approximately 16 African Americans were still technically enslaved in New Jersey.But Why and How?
While there were many Black, mixed-race, and white people in New Jersey who fought against slavery, most legislators refused to condemn the institution. Profits from slaveholding organizations had built and maintained the state’s major cities and regional centers like Newark and those in Bergen County.
Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free enslaved African Americans in the Northern States; it freed only those in the mostly southern "rebellious states." Two years later, New Jersey bitterly refused to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, the United States Constitutional Amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude across the country.
Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas.
I made the same point to him years ago. Since they still had slaves in northern states, you can't claim to have abolished slavery. The existence of slaves means you still have slavery. It isn't gone yet.
BroJoeBidenK has conclusively proven that he can and did claim that NJ had slaves freed by the 13th Amendment, and also claimed that NJ had no slaves left to be freed by the time the 13th Amendment was adopted. It is like "Corn Pop" Joe Biden can claim his $3.5T Build Back Better plan will cost $0.00. It is the art of malarkey.