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Rand Paul: If more people had listened to my father our war in Afghanistan would have been less tragic
Libertytree ^ | August 16 | Sen. Rand Paul

Posted on 08/16/2021 4:18:40 PM PDT by RandFan

After America was attacked by al-Qaeda on September 11, 2001, my father, Republican Congressman Ron Paul, voted for a U.S. strike on the Taliban in Afghanistan for harboring the 9/11 terrorists.

We were attacked, so we struck back. This is the reason we have and need a strong military: Actual national defense.

But our military is not meant for nation building. Not for policing the world. Not for imposing democracy in places that have never known it.

Not only are these bad ideas, but they aren’t the point of our military and they do nothing for our national defense.

Unfortunately, that was the George W. Bush-Dick Cheney neoconservative vision of perpetual U.S.-led wars around the globe. We know how that worked out in Iraq. Now we are learning how it ends in Afghanistan.

But this isn’t hindsight.

It was always doomed for failure, and some have said so for a very long time, and proved right time and time again through our recent foreign policy disasters.

It was my father, often alone in his party, who said for decades that the neocons’ endless wars would always come back to haunt us.

He did it early, and often. Over the weekend, a video compilation of warnings my Dad issued years ago went viral. Why was a 13-year-old video of a Congressman who retired in 2012 going viral?

Because he was right and more people should have listened to him, to me and to others who have been saying for a decade that this war needed to end.

Ron Paul asked questions like, “What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us?” The scenes we see coming out of Afghanistan today are rage-filled. We honor and respect the brave men and women who served there for so long, but to ask them to stay another year there would be unconscionable. They did their duty.

“What if all wartime spending is paid for through the deceitful process of inflating and borrowing?” Dad asked. Considering that we were never able to afford the trillions spent in Afghanistan and we are now more concerned about inflation at home, Dad seemed ahead of his time.

My father asked, “What if we finally see that wartime conditions always undermine personal liberty?” Thanks to whistleblower Edward Snowden, we have a clearer picture of how our government abuses our constitutional liberties every day, often using post-9/11 jargon to justify it.

And again, on Afghanistan, my father had long urged to bring American troops home after the U.S. accomplished its original mission early on.

If the neoconservatives and others at the time had listened to Ron Paul back then, the tragedy in Afghanistan would not have been prolonged. Most importantly, it would have saved thousands of American lives and also money that we don’t actually have.

During the Tea Party-era ten years ago, I and other libertarian-leaning Republicans followed in my father’s footsteps and managed to change some formerly hawkish minds about war. When Donald Trump became president by blasting the Bush administration’s interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan and condemning “endless wars,” Dad’s foreign policy message had come full circle within the GOP.

Yet, if the Republican Party had been more like Ron Paul than Dick Cheney throughout the aughts, it would have saved our country a lot of heartache. If Barack Obama had actually ended the wars he promised too, like Dad had long urged, we would have been better off.

Now the same people who still defend the Iraq War and who also wanted to stay in Afghanistan forever are some of the loudest voices criticizing the Taliban retaking control of that country. If after 20 years of preparing Afghanistan to govern itself, it immediately bends to extremists the moment we leave, what did hawks think we were going to accomplish over another decade—or ever? Was two decades not enough time?

The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban is sad but the blame should attach to the naive neocons who thought they could create a Jeffersonian democracy in a land clinging to the Stone Age, not to those who warned that it would inevitably end in a mess.

What’s clear today is that no one with the last name Cheney should even be speaking publicly right now. This origin of this debacle lies at their feet.

What’s even clearer, is that unfortunately the warnings of a Republican congressman from Texas years ago now feel more prescient than ever.

Rand Paul is a Republican senator from Kentucky


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Brilliant op-ed from Rand.
1 posted on 08/16/2021 4:18:40 PM PDT by RandFan
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Ping!


2 posted on 08/16/2021 4:21:24 PM PDT by KC_Lion
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To: RandFan

“But our military is not meant for nation building. Not for policing the world. Not for imposing democracy in places that have never known it.

Not only are these bad ideas, but they aren’t the point of our military and they do nothing for our national defense.”


3 posted on 08/16/2021 4:24:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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Where’s GWB?


4 posted on 08/16/2021 4:26:17 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: RandFan

Hardly brilliant.

His utopian vision is little different than Bush and Obama’s failed utopian vision.

He is right Liz Ceney is reprehensible and despicable.


5 posted on 08/16/2021 4:26:38 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: RandFan

One disagreement: The was was not really against Afghanistan, but Pakistan, that provided bottomless equipment and replacement fighters.

All would be for nought unless the dozen or so mountain passes between the countries were sealed. We, and even Pakistan, offered to do that and the Afghan government was adamant that we could not.

This alone guaranteed 20 years of unsuccessful war, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of fighters we killed.


6 posted on 08/16/2021 4:28:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Do kids in Iceland still play "The Floor Is Lava?")
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To: RandFan

Specifically, what impact did GWB wars have on Christians in both countries?


7 posted on 08/16/2021 4:30:26 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: RandFan

Ron Paul is an American Cassandra.


8 posted on 08/16/2021 4:32:25 PM PDT by allendale
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To: ifinnegan
Hardly brilliant.

That's what I thought.

If my dad were hanging around Rand Paul that dumbazz gutless BLM shitpile would still be on the sidewalk where my father would have laid him out.

9 posted on 08/16/2021 4:34:10 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: alternatives?
Iraq's Christians 'close to extinction'

Not sure about Afghanistan
10 posted on 08/16/2021 4:37:01 PM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Too late. And stop with the “It’s Bush’s fault” etc. Spend energy putting this ALL on Biden and the democrats. Biden deserves this. This is politics and everything needs to be done to expose what a disaster that political party has brought to the world. Every hanging, every beheading, every atrocity is BIDEN’S doing. The blood is on his hands directly and the democrats own Biden. Remind EVERYONE that fact. Every girl that is raped and every woman who is stoned is BECAUSE OF BIDEN.


11 posted on 08/16/2021 4:39:04 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: RandFan

He’s right. We should have went over, kicked a** and come home.

Now the enemy has our equipment and money.

What did we gain from nation building? Security? No.

How much more secure if we had bombed them and left them to still be building back.

I’m not compassionate, I don’t care how they lived after 9/11.

Blow them away and come home, we made them stronger with all this other bull crud.


12 posted on 08/16/2021 4:41:07 PM PDT by Irenic ( )
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To: Organic Panic

The Bushes hate Trump every bit as much as Biden and the Rats. We have to fight this battle on two fronts.


13 posted on 08/16/2021 4:42:49 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: RandFan

Rand Paul is carrying the legacy of his father, Ron Paul, forward with honor.

Unfortunately, Loathsome Liz Cheney, daughter of Dirty Dick Cheney, is carrying her father’s warmongering legacy forward, insisting that American Christians be sacrificed on the altar of the Islamic Middle East.


14 posted on 08/16/2021 4:45:14 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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Trump was an anomaly that the warmongering globalists of the uniparty failed to stop in 2016.


15 posted on 08/16/2021 4:46:55 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: RandFan

Reminiscing.....

“All Your Base Belong To Us!”

Who knew then the terrorist boast was directed to the Democratic Party?


16 posted on 08/16/2021 4:58:37 PM PDT by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free)
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To: RandFan

Stop posting this crazy Paul crap ..

No have no problem with Illegals destroying the USA .


17 posted on 08/16/2021 4:59:05 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists are the real danger )
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To: RandFan

Be sure about Afghanistan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V20DlT0y7uI


18 posted on 08/16/2021 5:11:19 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.)
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To: RandFan
I remember agreeing with Ron Paul, but I continued supporting W after the nation building was announced. I voiced my dismay to very few people, primarily because I felt grateful that we had Bush and not Algore as President. Turns out Algore probably would have gone along with the military-industrial establishment just like W.

Never again will I make rationalizations and hold my tongue for a Republican. I am ashamed.

19 posted on 08/16/2021 5:12:10 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RandFan

UPDATE in a few minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJlaqjEa2Ew


20 posted on 08/16/2021 5:17:05 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.)
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