Educate me re SARS-Cov vaccines

FreeRepublic ^ | 16 May 2021 | NonValueAdded

[NonValueAdded]

I post this in the forlorn hope that I can make an informed decision regarding the Covid vaccine choices available to me. Like many on this forum, I planned to hold out for the J&J vaccine until the world came clotting down. After reading the following article snippet, I have severe doubts about getting ANY vaccine until I understand just what the, pardon my French, phuck is going on. So I put letter references to my questions in the thread, looking for specific answers from the collected intelligence here.

When you get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the modified adenovirus is pulled inside your cells, where it travels to the cell nucleus, home to its DNA. The adenovirus then puts its DNA into the nucleus, the spike protein gene is read by the cell, and it’s then copied into messenger RNA, or mRNA. Your cells begin making spike proteins, which are then recognized by your immune system, causing your body to produce antibodies to the perceived threat.

Source: What to Know About Johnson & Johnson’s Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine

Holy GMO, Batman. You're gonna put that chit inside of yourself??? Just a cotton-picking moment, here. There's that mRNA again. Is this just a difference without distinction? Questions abound. See comment #1.

[steve86]

Interesting, thanks.

[mrsmith]

To some of your questions:

““Inside the adenovirus is the DNA that your body will use to make into RNA and then into the spike protein of the coronavirus,” said Gandhi. She noted that the DNA and RNA then quickly degrade in the human body and do not have the ability to affect our chromosomes.”
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/03/420071/how-effective-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-heres-what-you-should-know

The adenovirus they use is incapable of replicating too.

Since you’re a guy, of course the clotting isn’t a worry.

I’ve decided to go with the Pfizer.

I believe the Novavax shot is “old style” dead virus type and should be out in a few months.
I think one of the China Vaccines is “old style”, but... it’s Chinese.

[arthurus]

Well, so many questions. You had certainly best avoid D3.
Wife has High blood pressure and diabetes and a couple of other continuing problems. She is only one but she had no serious effects from the CCPFlu.
I seldom see the sun as I work at night and have for 16 years. My job has ben pretty sedentary for a long time. I am 75 years old so that is "against" me. I take D3 and zinc and C and a bunch of other supps for arthritis and prostate and some etcs.

[heavy metal]

biden, fauxi, and the cdc recommending lockdowns, cancellations of events, masks, and vaccines for our citizens to stop the spread of a “deadly virus” while biden is opening the border, inviting, welcoming, and freely spreading thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic” reeks of hypocrisy and proves we’re being lied to about the severity of this so called “deadly virus”...

[thecodont]

Excellent post, you have read my mind!

“F. My hope was that the J&J vaccine was like the traditional vaccines of my now ancient understanding. That is, dead or attenuated viral cells, which were what was injected, those cells incapable of replication, using our natural defense mechanisms to teach them how to identify and kill the real virus should we later become infected. Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most familiar example. Now, I am certain that this is not the case for J&J and it goes on my Hell No list. “

Exactly, I am not anti-vaccine, I want a TRADITIONAL vaccine that stimulates my own immune system.

Comparison of types under development below. Is Sinovac the only one that seems to be using the traditional vaccine approach?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-how-it-works-wellness-explainer/index.html

[thecodont]

“Seventh, you sign a waiver excusing the government AND the vaccine producer from any liability should you die or develop another severe reaction.”

I don’t recall having had to sign a liability waiver when I got my last flu shot.

[grey_whiskers]

Thank you for asking the questions in a systematic fashion. I'll take a turn at addressing them.

A. Are we talking about separate DNA within the cell doing its own thing or are we talking about incorporating this DNA fragment into our own DNA, forever modifying it?

A. Generally separate DNA. The party line is that it does not get incorporated into our DNA; however, I don't see how it can be "absolutely" ruled out, e.g. one Russian manufacturer had problems with quality control such that the adenoviruses they were using, were undergoing genetic recombination while still being manufactured. (That's supposed to be prevented by removing, IIRC, E1 and E3 genes, which control viral replication and interaction with the immune system; but somehow, some batches of this manufacturer's jab missed that; apparently one such batch made it into Phase 3 (animal) trials, and that Russian manufacturer lied to The Lancet about it at first). Source: one of the pro-jab posters in the last couple weeks who posted it to me by mistake trying to prove genetic changes were impossible. Here's the link they sent; or this.

There were researchers from Harvard/MIT who claimed that they isolated small sections of COVID-19 RNA incorporated into the DNA of patients; the paper was rejected; an article commenting on this noted that "some researchers worried it played into the hands of vaccine skeptics spreading false claims about the newly authorized mRNA vaccines.".

B. It seems J&J is using DNA to manufacture the mRNA to create spike proteins to trigger our natural defenses. Is this WORSE that Moderna/Pfizer vaccines in that they use the mRNA directly instead of programming OUR cells to create the mRNA? Seems to me that the J&J approach is even worse! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

The potential risk I wonder about -- I have no evidence, and I may be mistaken -- is that JNJ uses (per above) an adenovirus vector. IIRC these are cold viruses, which, you might have noticed during the winter, *do* spread among humans. Could a person jabbed with JNJ shed adenovirus? Could another virus co-infecting someone receiving the injection, engage in recombination with the JNJ jab, and then we'd have spike-inducing viruses at large? I don't know enough to know, but I'd sure love more than a "shut up peasant" in response.

C. Even if this introduced bit of DNA is not incorporated into our own, will it replicate along with our own DNA when the cell splits? Or is this one-and-done, not taking part in cellular mitosis?

Don't know; I suspect not, but that's because of hazy memories of biochem classes talking about the specific goings-on to replicate the cell's DNA.

D. Does the J&J vaccine target specific cells or will I have little spike factories in my liver, lung, pancreas, skin cells, etc.? Will it cross the blood-brain barrier and end up in my brain??? What is the longevity of this DNA.

Touchy question. Preliminary answer seems to be "likely" based on a paper in the BMJ about jabs to mice (although I think that was mRNA), and a discussion under PhD drug discovery chemist Derek Lowe's blog. The main poster bringing up the concerns was a Harvard/MIT MD/PhD now practicing in LA. Here's a link to the thread and a related British Medical Journal article.

Also another poster on that discussion said Yes, a recent paper has been published in Nature Neuroscience entitled “The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice” to uncover its ability to cross Blood Brain Barrier.

For my cherry-picking of posts in the discussion on Derek Lowe's blog see here.

E. Does this mean that vaccinated people can no longer use the PCR test? In other words, does the PCR test look for spike protein fragments? If so, then you are guaranteeing a positive test as long as the cells are cranking out the spike proteins.

PCR test is inherently unreliable anyway, as its discoverer, the late Kary Mullis (who won the Nobel Prize for it!) said it was never intended to be used as a diagnostic anyway; furthermore, the CDC originally used, what was it, 42 or 45 cycles of amplification at the beginning, which is pretty much guaranteed to generate false positives -- a link supplied by a pro-vaxxer on this thread, said PCR could detect as few as 100 virus particles; and the CDC has turned down the recommended number of cycles for PCR testing now, which would have the effect of damping down "detected" cases, and making the jabs look more effective.

No scientific rationale was given for the change in practice; and there is no little asterisk in the records, like with a steroid-using slugger's statistics, to note the souping up of the numbers.

F. My hope was that the J&J vaccine was like the traditional vaccines of my now ancient understanding. That is, dead or attenuated viral cells, which were what was injected, those cells incapable of replication, using our natural defense mechanisms to teach them how to identify and kill the real virus should we later become infected. Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most familiar example. Now, I am certain that this is not the case for J&J and it goes on my Hell No list.

Your description is accurate. IIRC something called NovaVax is coming out which is supposed to be whole-virus. That being said, there's a link one of the pro-jabbers sent, which was supposed to prove the spike protein was harmless, which left out the first half of the paper, where researchers injected a pseudovirus (shell and spikes, no genetic material inside) into, I think, lab mice. They discovered the spike proteins alone induced lung damage. I *think* this is the article. If not, see a discussion on FR here, and this. This ties into your question about "why the spike protein" below.

G. And what of these spike proteins swimming around in our bloodstream? Even without the attached viral body, do they bind to ACE2 receptors as they are designed to do, by nature or man? What is the effect of that? Is the cure as bad as the disease? Are there contraindications if you have certain medical issues? There is an interesting article about how the spike protein works here

Yes, they can and do. There's a paper in medrXiv or however you spell it, that the spike protein alone causes clotting abnormalities even without whole virus present. FReeper Cathi had an article several weeks ago which showed how the spike protein interacting with the ACE2 receptor, drives the cell in question to produce a whole bunch of pro-inflammatory proteins, including one (IIRC) which is as it were, the granddaddy of the clotting cascade. Also, there has been mention--this one I don't remember where from, sorry, but again, the last 2-3 weeks-- that when you get a jab, and your cells produce the spike protein, the spike protein is expressed at the cell membrane. This has several effects.

One, there was a Thai-German doctor being interviewed, who explained how, if the vaccine gets into the bloodstream, and any of endothelial cells get affected by the vaccine, the spike proteins protruding into the bloodstream will initiate clotting with any platelets they touch. Then, that the immune system will attack and destroy any endothelial cells which are presenting the spike protein; finally, that the body will notice the damage left by the immune system and attempt to repair it (I can't remember if he said scarring or more clotting or both).

Three, (several effects), cells which express the spike protein on their surface, are liable to have their spike protein interact with the ACE2 receptor on neighboring cells, resulting in the fusion of the two adjacent cells, and death of both cells.

Other references here.

H. Then there's this: Structural similarity between HIV-1 gp41 and SARS-CoV S2 proteins suggests an analogous membrane fusion mechanism.

That was first mentioned on GreatGameIndia long before there were any vaccines. For a bit more (but not exhaustive) on the fusion mechanism, check out the article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists on the origin of the COVID-19 virus. I read a couple of days ago, the author used to be a/the top science writer for the New York Slimes, so that might be a plus or minus. Couldn't find the link on FR briefly, but you can easily DuckDuckGo for it.

So why are they using the spike protein as the prod for immunity? Is it to leverage progress towards a HIV vaccine or, in other words, an off-the-shelf approach to rapidly get these vaccines on the market? If so, an interesting approach but one that scares the hell out of me. We are truly playing with fire here. I recall articles early on in this contagion, talking about the spike protein coming from HIV. Now how did bats incorporate HIV into SARS-CoV??? Is this just a natural selection phenominon of a particularly effective invasion mechanism or did gain-of-function research create this monster, leveraging an efficient methodology for cellular invasion? That's a whole different discussion, but after reading this, it appears to be the former. But that's not to say the answer is mutually exclusive.

Multi part question.

1) Why are they using the spike protein?

a) Quick turnaround

b) One of the pro-jabbers said because other parts of the COVID-19's outer shell, induced "antibody-dependent enhancement." That's where after the first exposure to an antigen, even if your body fights it off, if your immune system sees it again, the immune system goes into hyperdrive and kills you (say, a cytokine storm). This had been discussed way on in the early days before the virus left China, as a possible explanation of why you had those "walk down the street suddenly fall down dead" videos. ADE is a real thing and has been observed outside of COVID-19, say, with dengue fever.

2) Bats did not incorporate HIV into SARS-CoV. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists article has more on the spike protein and the likelihood it was engineered...that article quotes a Nobel Prize winner (the guy who *discovered* reverse transcriptase) as saying the cleavage site was a smoking gun for bioengineering. Also of interest is this article showing the Chinese found a highly lethal-to-human bat virus in 2012, from a certain group of miners, sequenced the hell out of it, then changed the name of it and covered up the knowledge. It'd be *really* interesting to do a full genomic compare of that virus to Covid-19. In particular both the spike and the cleavage site.

Summary. I am not an early adopter. You know, never install a Microsoft product until at least the third patch release. I don't want to be the one to absorb the learning curve. Sure, I may miss out on a great new thing but it will still be there when it is proven.

Aye, with untested remedies, and a non-emergency situation, why rush?

I am convinced that the life cycle of a drug ends with TV ads for the class action suit. Zantac, anyone? The sad fact is that today's modern miracle is tomorrow's tragedy. I am a DES baby. Thank goodness I'm male. How many of my generation's sisters were not so lucky. So I was horrified to hear a news report of pregnant mothers getting the vaccine. Were they properly informed of the risk? Or did they make an informed choice out of fear that they would not be around to raise their child? I pray that they have a healthy child and not a little spike machine.

Agreed.

I await your thoughtful answers to my questions. FR is an amazing eclectic collection of individuals and I am thankful for their contributions.

You're welcome. Take a look.

One last point. There’s a doctor on the faculty of Harvard Med School, Dr. Martin Kulldorff, whom one of his colleagues described as one of the top 3 people in the world on vaccine reactions.

He got thrown OFF the CDC advisory committee, for wanting to continue with the JNJ jabs, and not pause them. Got that?

He says that these jabs should be reserved for the over-70 crowd, since they need them the most, AND that they suffer far fewer coagulopathies from the jabs, than younger people. He says there is no medical reason to give these shots to teenagers.

That was in The Federalist in the last couple of weeks.

[grey_whiskers]

The adenovirus they use is incapable of replicating too.

That's funny, I think YOU were the one who posted me the link to one manufacturer where their adenovirus was undergoing recombination while still in the manufacturing process.

I included the links on on of my other posts to @NonValueAdded in this thread.

[Organic Panic]

By definition these are not vaccines. They are gene therapy. Sure it may be promising technology. but I’m not taking it. I had covid and got over it just fine. And I don’t trust anything that everyone who hates my guts is telling me I should get it. No thanks.

[ransomnote]

“Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most”

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renfrew: The J&J vaccine is that. It takes a common adenovirus that can at worst cause a minor cold and modifies it so that it looks enough like COVID that you immune system will track both down.

ransomnote: I'm sorry, that's false. There is nothing traditional about the J&J vaccine.

The J&J uses a piece of DNA which, once injected, directs the production of mRNA that tells cells to make the spike protein. The Prizer and Moderna inject a pieceof mRNA that tells cellsl to make the spike protein.

China supposedly made the traditional 'attenuated virus' version (deactivated Covid-19 virus) to build immunity. Isn't that strange?

China gave our vaccine companies the genome of the Covid-19 virus but it didn't build the genome from the live virus. China used software that predicted the missing pieces of genome by patching in prior Coronavirus genome sequences. That technique can't be accurate for Covid as this virus is declared to be 'novel'. 

China did all this work for us, using the wrong technology, while Moderna and others waited for them, and then released what it says is the genome. Then China made their own vaccine from the live virus instead. Hmmmm... So China gave us the virus, and then it claims it gave us the true genome for the virus for us to build our vaccines and PCR test upon. China Virus/China Vaccines - gee China likes to help, huh?

Like all viruses, including cowpox, it does this by getting into some of your cells and modifying them. The mRNA vaccines skip directly to this step. The important thing is the only cells it is modifying are a handful of muscle cells in your arm.

No, there is 'leakage' from the injection site. Israel found harm to all body systems resulting from vaccines and while theirs was Pfizer, the principle is the same, the damage isn ot confined to the injection site.

Israeli People Committee’s Report Find Catastrophic Side Effects Of Pfizer Vaccine To Every System In Human Body

Besides, the spike protein has been identified as being harmful in an of itself. Oh the vax companies and Faucists are denying the research - all we have to do is trust them.

Say, why did the CDC and Faucists all decide to use a PCR 'test' that doesn't identify the Covid virus or the presence of illness from the Covid virus? Why did they choose a test and run it at 45 cycles so it had a 97% false positive rate. Why aren't they trying to make an accurate test? It's almost like they want to control the narrative or something.

COVID, even with the best treatments, gets everywhere and is modifying cells throughout your body, which is why it causes such diverse symptoms.

No, that's propaganda. Most of illnesses last year were flu and some were WuHu flu and we dont' know who's who because the PCR doesn't identify Covid.

Dr. McCullough specializes in treating Covid-19 patients and he says he and his team created a protocol (described in link below) that cuts Covid-19 death among the most vulnerable (age/comorbidites) by 85% and he says nothing about lasting damage. In fact, he's concerned about the unacceptably high levels of damage among those vaccinated.

COVID Vaccine Killing Huge Numbers, Warns Leading Doctor – Liberty Sentinel [32 minute video]

Normally, a vaccine would be pulled LONG before we had the number of deaths VAERS reports for COvid-19 vaccines, and VAERS only has less than 25% of reports of harm the CDC has received.

The J&J Is possibly more weaponized than the mRNA. It uses a splice of bat genome, which our bodies have never seen, and includes stealth (splice of HIV), and a crippled adenovirus (common cold). The cold virus is a problem because those getting the J&J can also have colds. The live cold can mix with the vaccine genom and then the vaccine would become airborne with the capaicty to spread of the common cold.

All the Covid 'vaccines' have problems that can be severe - people overlook them and focus on 'death'. Here's a table for Thrombocytopenia - I've made others for cardiac, paralysis, anaphylaxis and stroke.

I sorted CDC VAERS reports for all vaccines to see how the Covid vaccines compare with prior vaxs. They are at the top of the list, and that list has been built over the course of 30 years.

The data below is valid for 5/14/2021 and is strictly for the word "Thrombocytopenia" in the event description field for all vaccines in VAERS. Covid vax's appear at the top because in their few months of administration, they have so many instances.

You run all these risks and more, and you have to incur these risks again (compounding them) everytime you get a booster shot, which they are already proposing. Oh, and the CDC has ruled that booster 'vaccines' for Covid will not have to go through testing. Even if the pharmas are being honest about efficacy (*cough**cough*), they protect so little and only have data for 2 month tests. So they don't know how many got Covid a week after the 2 month trial - the trials were too short.

Check Your Understanding Of The "Efficacy" Claims For 'Vaccines': The Claim "95% Effective" Means A Fraction Of 1% Of The Vaccinated Are "Protected" For 2 Months

The CDC and pharmas knew more harm could result and never told the public.

From the start, Faucists/CDC/Pharma should have been talking about potential risks. Instead they purge/censor/cancel anyone who speaks of the risks.

Last October, researchers determined that the known risk of ADE were not being explained to the public.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

"Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent."

[Renfrew]

A lot of issues with your post, but to pick at one obvious one. Why do you think western companies are reliant on a Chinese provided genome?

Do you not think we have the ability to sequence the COVID genome?

[usconservative]

I received the J&J vaccine right before it was put on "pause." I wasn't worried because (a) I'm a guy and (b) everything I read before the "pause" indicated some very small amount of women with a specific condition were affected by it.

I waited to get it as I have an auto-immune condition and my specialist had me wait until data came in to indicate which would be best for me. He recommended the J&J because of the "one and done" aspect of it and I had to be off my meds for four weeks to get any of the vaccines. Without my meds, it's very painful being me.

Now let me cut to the chase: I just came home from a Celebration of Life for a friends wife in Michigan. There were some 250+ people and no one had a mask. Not. one. Person.

We were primarily outside however I spent a few hours inside with some close friends and we're all vaccinated. Others came in and out of the house and I've no idea who was vaccinated and who isn't.

Having been around 250 people to varying degrees over the lat 36 hours, I have a feeling I'm about to find out whether or not the J&J vaccine really works.

I'm fine with whatever happens. Me 'n Jesus are good, I'm not afraid of dying if that's what's going to happen.

Finally, I drove myself nuts researching like crazy and asking questions like you are. I talked to my specialist. I spoke to my Christian friends, the gentle soul who runs my Bible study group, prayed, listened, and prayed some more. The bottom line is this: You have to make the best decision for you. Don't let anyone else sway or berate you into making a decision to get vaccinated or not. Fact is, it's really somewhat of a crapshoot IMO. They all come with moral questions that I struggled with greatly. for me it came down to this: that which mankind intended for evil, God turned to good. There are stories in the Bible that repeat this theme and at some point I have to believe that which mankind (China) intended for evil, God (the USA and "Operation Warp Speed) turned to good.

Good luck getting answers to your questions, I'll be following this thread also even though I'm vaccinated.

[DugwayDuke]

arthurus wrote: “I seldom see the sun as I work at night and have for 16 years. My job has ben pretty sedentary for a long time. I am 75 years old so that is “against” me. I take D3 and zinc and C and a bunch of other supps for arthritis and prostate and some etcs.”

I’ll be 75 this summer. I take a lot of supplements as well. I’ve lost 80 pounds since Jan 2020. I spend an hour a day five days a week in the gym. I play a lot of golf too. In addition I walk at least three miles every day. My cardiologist keeps trying but keeps failing at finding any heart issues. For example, my resting heart rate is in the upper forties lower fifties.

That said, I would be very reluctant to rely solely on Vitamin D and other supplements as a substitute for the vaccines as some seem to think is feasible.

[mrsmith]

I remember that.

You said that because when they made the vaccine they prevented the adenovirus from replicating that that proved that it did replicate in the vaccine.

Thanks for the laugh.
May be the funniest thing I ever saw here!

[ransomnote]

A lot of issues with your post, but to pick at one obvious one. Why do you think western companies are reliant on a Chinese provided genome?

Do you not think we have the ability to sequence the COVID genome?
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You're so far behind.

We have the technology, but it is not the appropriate technology to use. Covid is a 'novel' virus so using software to patch in missing pieces of the genome using generic or traditional Coronaviruses can't, by definition, render an accurate genome.

I read an article about the engineer at Moderna who wrote about the morning of January 10, he woke up and saw that China had released the genome and 'got right to work' because that was all he needed. It struck me as odd that he wasn't in a lab or getting a call from an organization outside of china. Just waitin'.

Then I discovered that there are no live samples of the virus available to researchers unless they have 'connections' to Fauci's NIH or back channel funding from them.

And the PCR was not developed using the live virus, nor were the vaccines. Yet we waited for China to give us the genome. Oh and China said it didn't have isolated samples when they released the genome. However, China went on to develop a vaccine based on the inactivated live virus - so they did have it?

So all this scarcity and trolls would show up and shriek at me that 'everyone has isolated samples of Covid' and I realize we're in the situation that supposedly isolated samples are 'everywhere' but no one is using them.

Eventually I came to realize that the CDC patented the 2003 SARS virus (creepy, eh) which gave them complete control over who studies it, how it's tested, how it's measured etc. And then the CDC filed to make their patent private/confidential.

Has The CDC Quietly Patented The SARS-2 Covid Virus? CDC Patented SARS-1 (2003) And Retained All Rights To Testing, Study, Measurement and Isolated Samples?

Plandemic Indoctrination [watch movie free, free to download] Includes notes on 7 minute sample excerpt of the movie: Clip 03 Turning CoronaVirus from a pathogen to a profit

I believe now in the age of Covid, the CDC has privately patented the Covid-19 virus to prevent people from using the live virus to make traditional vaccines, testing drug treatments, coming up with a test that works (PCR has 97% false positive rate).

The CDC, through its CDC FOUNDATION, is funded by Bill Gates, George SOros and other enemies of freedom the CDC likely 'owns' research/testing of Covid and that's how we wound up waiting to using a fake genome from China to build our 'vaccines'.

The CDC's control means they dictate the use of an invalid PCR test and therefore prevent us from knowing who has Covid and who has the flu. Complete fog of war - biowarfare war.

So to answer your question, "Yes, I know we have the capacity to sequence a genome, it just won't match the Covid virus."

[grey_whiskers]

Your words then:

From a thread about the REJECTION of a Sputnik V batch that DID allow replication of the adenovirus used...

https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1387397186372005893

“E1/E3 deletions are standard in Ad-vectors. Deleting E1 prevents the virus from replicating and deleting E3 prevents it from interacting with the immune system.

...

When making adenovirus-vectored vaccines, once you’ve deleted a region of the genome, it doesn’t just reappear out of nowhere. The presence of replicating virus suggests E1 was either not deleted or it recombined during manufacturing with a full length AdV genome.”

Your words now:

You said that because when they made the vaccine they prevented the adenovirus from replicating that that proved that it did replicate in the vaccine.

Lying through your foul teeth as usual.

[mrsmith]

LOL!
“Rejected”... I get that that’s a tough word for you?

[grey_whiskers]

The physical process occurred before the batch was rejected.

Therefore replication is *intrinsically* possible, given the right conditions.

[MarMema]

Novovax does.

[MarMema]

Lol. Good post.