Do the Covid=19 vaccines contain aborted baby body parts?

01/16/21 | hapnHal

[hapnHal]

Got a question.. Do the Covid-19 vaccines contain aborted baby body parts? It is being reported that aborted baby cell lines are being used in Covid-19 vaccines. Need clarification.

[AndyTheBear]

Do the Covid-19 vaccines contain aborted baby body parts?

No.

It is being reported that aborted baby cell lines are being used in Covid-19 vaccines.

For many of these vaccines, or other medicines, stem cells that were grown from a line that was originally harvested from unborn babies are used in testing and development. They are not in the product themselves, and they do not require new aborted babies to supply more, as the cells are grown from other cells that were already harvested years ago.

Bottom line covid vaccines do not encourage or incentive more abortion. A more serious problem is the safety of the vaccines. They are not as safe as standard vaccines that people take for small pox and such, but are messenger RNA based and can have unpredictable side effects, and they were rushed and not well tested.

[DesertRhino]

So... using Dr. Mengele’s twin research, or Jap anthrax research from unit 731 is ok.
Got it. I’m sure getting some ethics lessons here.

That kind of activity will never stop as long as it is rewarded later.

[Cronos]

I don’t understand what the green and red stand for in the chart in post 6. I do know from verifiable sources of what I stated above.

[Cronos]

I said The comparison is more like using the processes and knowledge gained FROM the concentration camps (and the Japanese torture camps) that are currently used in modern day medicine.

YOU said So... using Dr. Mengele’s twin research, or Jap anthrax research from unit 731 is ok.

Got it. I’m sure getting some ethics lessons here.

I didn't give my personal opinion on whether it was ok or not ok. Nor about whether it was ethical or non-ethical.

All I stated was that we are using knowledge and processes gained from the Mengele and 731

At the German concentration camps of Sachsenhausen, Dachau, Natzweiler, Buchenwald, and Neuengamme, scientists used camp inmates to test immunization compounds and antibodies for the prevention and treatment of contagious diseases, including malaria, typhus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, yellow fever, and infectious hepatitis.

NOW let me give my opinion on some of the matters (which I haven't done so far in this thread): as to whether the acts that were done by the Nazis and imperial Japanese to discover the medical treatments were ethical? NO. Definitely NO. Definitely NOT ok

As to whether us using that knowledge today is ok -- yes. Horrific as the source of knowledge is, we do learn from it. Ditto for whether it is ethical to use these procedures that today save lives. We need to acknowledge the human toll, but using them today is ethical. Doing the experiments weren't.

[Cronos]

See my post #24 above.

The act of abortion, the experimentation in the camps was not ok.

Decades on, using what we learnt from that is ok if it saves lives.

[Vermont Lt]

Do a search.

You will find that the vaccines produced in the US are fine. If you live in Europe, you are a barbarian who eats babies anyway.

Why cant people just do searches? This has been discussed a dozen times. My wife is a writer for a catholic health system and she did a big news thing about this two months ago, a month ago, and last week.

It’s not like the information isn’t out there. And yet people come here hand wringing.

[nickcarraway]

You’ve gone full leftist.

[cgbg]

they were rushed and not well tested

Correct.

But--what scares me off from these vaccines is that any dissenting view on their efficacy or risk is _banned_ from social media and mass media.

If they need to censor, then they are terrified of an open discussion.

That is a _big_ red flag for me.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Anyone who would knowingly ingest or inject the flesh of a murdered baby as a elixir of life should merit an eternity in Hell. That act cries out for God’s vengeance.

[G Larry]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/a-hill-worth-dying-on-expert-explains-how-aborted-baby-cells-taint-covid-vaccines The two vaccines that are currently approved are the Moderna vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine, and they're both mRNA vaccines, and so at a molecular level they're very similar. Both of the vaccines were made using a biotechnology technique that can synthesize nucleic acids in the laboratory. So, a lot of people are trying to argue that they're moral because the mRNA that's made never touches fetal cells. But that's not the whole of the story when you look at the way that these vaccines were developed. BUT, w AstraZeneca

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/verify/verify-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-contains-no-fetal-fragments/507-3948f81c-aa5b-4046-a629-3e1e5a4b6dbb

Dr. Moss explained to VERIFY that the AstraZeneca vaccine "is derived from adenovirus grown in a kidney cell line that came from an aborted fetus in 1972." A cell line comes from a cell that is replicated repeatedly, sometimes indefinitely, and used in the development of vaccines and for other scientific purposes. Moss says it is important to note that for the COVID-19 vaccine, "The virus is grown in a cell line that has grown in a laboratory for more than 40 years and not directly in fetal tissue."

[blackpacific]

To add to what you are saying, it is my understanding that HEK-293 is not an arbitrary acronym. HEK stands for “Human Embrionic Kidney”, the cells were harvested from a living child as any cells to become immortal in the lab have to be harvested from a living human being. The 293 indicates that they had to try at least 293 times before the monsters were able to extract living kidney cells. So 292 babies were murdered by Dr. Frankenstein before he successfully got what he was looking for.

As others have said, that was decades ago, we don’t need to concern ourselves with ethics now, it is “remote material cooperation” with premeditated homicide, so it is ok. /sarc

The DNA of that child is still in each of the immortal cells that these monsters keep alive in the lab for the “benefit of mankind”. As Bishop Athanasius Schneider has put it, if you could put yourself in a time machine and go back to that bloody operating room where over 293 children were murdered for the harvest of their organs and cells, you are there in the operating room and you are telling the doctors to go ahead and kill the child, because it will benefit mankind down the road. Yeah, go ahead and slice that child apart piece by piece with no anethesia, and make sure you get that kidney out fast enough that some of its cells are still alive...

I don’t want anything created with either the direct use of those fetal cells in the development, nor in the testing of it injected into my body. Mark of the Beast.

[blackpacific]

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/CovidCompareMoralImmoral.pdf

[Jan_Sobieski]

so aborted baby sourdough?

[Jan_Sobieski]

so it’s derived from aborted fetal cell sourdough?

[roving]

I don’t care if it was cloned 5 million times. I will not touch anything that got its start from an aborted baby. If people die from the vaccine, oh well.

[Cronos]

That is an interesting opinion. I haven’t made up my mind either way - thankfully I’m not in a group that has to get the vaccine right now, so I have time to think.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, it gives me something more to think about

[Cronos]

If you live in Europe, you are a barbarian who eats babies anyway.

I live in Poland and there is far more pro-life than the US. Abortion is only allowed for rape/incest/danger to mother's life/health. There are about 800 abortions per month. Extrapolating that to the USA, that would be about 10 to 15 thousand abortions only if the US had the same restrictions as we have.

[Cronos]

HEK_293

HEK 293 cells were generated in 1973 by transfection of cultures of normal human embryonic kidney cells with sheared adenovirus 5 DNA in Alex van der Eb's laboratory in Leiden, the Netherlands. The cells were obtained from a single, healthy fetus, the precise origin of which is unclear.

They are called HEK since they originated in human embryonic kidney cultures, while the number 293 came from Graham's habit of numbering his experiments; the original HEK 293 cell clone was from his 293rd experiment.

- 292 babies weren't killed. ONE was killed (and that's one too many I agree).

[Cronos]

It isn’t the flesh of a murdered baby.

[fjcroderick]

Do the Covid-19 vaccines contain aborted baby body parts.

Whole Parts? No.

Parts of parts? like Genetic Contaminants? Yes, some.

Distinguo.

Some vaccines are not tested on cells grown from genetic material taken from a dead kiddo.

Some vaccines are tested on cells grown from genetic material taken from a dead kiddo.

Other, like the AstraZeneca vector based vaccine, are not only tested on cells grown from genetic material taken from a dead kiddo.

But... in the manufacturing process actually inject a mutated virus into cells grown from genetic material taken from a dead kiddo, and then are harvested from the cells of the aforementioned dead kiddo.

The ‘moral’ problem *from a Catholic perspective, is not necessarily the testing or the genetic contaminants but rather a question of the Integral good.

TLDR...

The Principle of the Integral, basically, is that for something to be Good, all parts of it must be good.

dead kids, have a right according to their god given dignity to a proper burial. Their DNA is part of their essential nature. Murdered (aborted) children have a right to their own body and are owed the dignity proper of any dead person. At no time did they consent to have parts/aspects of themselves perpetuated, pressed into service and indiscriminately destroyed.

Although the DNA may be replicated and consist of different physical ‘material’, the fact remains that the substance of a dead person is being not only duplicated (without their consent) but is also being used as a factory to produce material, whose extraction process consists in the deliberate destruction of life.

There is a whole bunch of other issues such as genetic contaminants but the Core principals at play is the Integral Good.

Abortion contaminated vaccines are illicit because they are materially complicit in the theft from dead persons as are those who receive them.

Your basically using a human being as a means to an end. (Abortion contaminated vaccines)

The posted chart was sourced here:

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/

abortion-derived cell lines are highlighted with a triangle.

any use of abortion-derived cell line in the process violates the Principle of the Integral good.

Saint Thomas Aquinas, Whether evil corrupts the whole good?

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1048.htm#article4

Fr Ripperger discusses the principal of the integral good and movies in this youtube clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn-GNljbNs0&ab_channel=SensusFidelium

Congratulations if you made it this far.

:-)

Cheers!