Posted on 01/19/2021 4:38:09 PM PST by rfreedom4u
Many people have stated that secession is illegal and not allowed as determined by the American Civil War. But is it really? Throughout the history of the United States our government has supported the independence/secession of states/territories/colonies from various other nations.
Haiti seceded from the French empire through a slave revolt. South Sudan broke from Sudan. Yugoslavia broke into several countries and later Kosovo seceded from Serbia. Czechoslovakia split into two countries. The Soviet split into quite a few countries. The UK left the European Union. And many others….
So why do people say secession is illegal in the United States? There’s nothing in the US Constitution that mentions secession. The Tenth Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Using my logic this means that since the issue of secession is not given to the federal government it is reserved to the states or the people themselves to determine. I’ve read the constitution of my own state (Texas) and secession is not mentioned at all. This even furthers my belief that is should be determined by the people.
If I were to join a club and did not like what the club became, I would be well within my rights to quit that club. If I go to see a movie and don’t like it, I can walk out. So why would anyone believe that the United States is a “once you’re in you can’t leave” type of deal? When someone doesn’t like the state in which they live they are free to move to another state or even another country.
If secession/independence/splitting up is supported for other people in the world why is it not ok for citizens of the United States? And yes, I know that politicians are garbage and want to maintain their power and control. So please give me your opinion on whether it is legal or not and why you think that way? But please spare me the “if it’s broke, we don’t run away, we fix it” argument. At this point I am fairly certain that it is not repairable.
Right now there is massive normalcy bias.
Things change.
If Bidet causes a major depression (and I mean an extended multi-year 25% + drop in GDP) and it hits some states much harder than others, then the unthinkable may become thinkable.
Secession will require large parts of the population unemployed with no hope and nothing to lose.
Bump
Hahah!
“Legal” has no standing.
The idea of the Union was present in Washington’s writings during the Revolutionary War.
We were the first.
Well, yeah, didn’t billy shakespeare say to ask the lawyers to politely leave society? Or sumthin like that.
What they have discovered is that it is not a “very important part of being free” but it is a very important part of gaslighting the precariat class into thinking it is still free. It is simple gaslighting. They succeeded spectactularly.
Each time, with the consent of all states involved and the consent of Congress.
+1
Especially if the south sued for peace once they had the military advantage. Some kind of spiritual hubris operating at that time.
“media presenting things to this nation”
***The point is, it will be a new nation, with probably its own media ready to counter the bullshiite from the old media libtards.
I agree the attack on Fort Sumter was stupid. I think they were simply chest puffing and saying they were great. Stupid move.
South wouldnt have won
Like i said they left for a huge morally wrong reason that pretty much wiped out any potentially vald reasons they might have argued.
But sure the side winning can always put out a peace offering. Whether or not its taken, probably not. The other side would see it as a weakness, and it might be. Stuf may be stretched too thin, or running out of funds, fighters, fuel, ...
You’re introducing too many issues.
Choose 1, post 1.
Choose another, post it.
Choose them one at a time, post them.
Sounds like the new motto for Texas. Rather than “everything is big in Texas” it could be “Texas Can”. I like it.
“No. It’s not legal. That’s why we fought the Civil War.”
Maybe time for a re-match.
+1
“citizens of the unted stages”?
What is that?
Jefferson Davis was arrested at the end of the Civil War ostensibly to be charged and tried for Treason. Never happened and he was released. Why? Because legal scholars and others at the time could not show that secession was unconstitutional.
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