Posted on 01/19/2021 4:38:09 PM PST by rfreedom4u
Many people have stated that secession is illegal and not allowed as determined by the American Civil War. But is it really? Throughout the history of the United States our government has supported the independence/secession of states/territories/colonies from various other nations.
Haiti seceded from the French empire through a slave revolt. South Sudan broke from Sudan. Yugoslavia broke into several countries and later Kosovo seceded from Serbia. Czechoslovakia split into two countries. The Soviet split into quite a few countries. The UK left the European Union. And many others….
So why do people say secession is illegal in the United States? There’s nothing in the US Constitution that mentions secession. The Tenth Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Using my logic this means that since the issue of secession is not given to the federal government it is reserved to the states or the people themselves to determine. I’ve read the constitution of my own state (Texas) and secession is not mentioned at all. This even furthers my belief that is should be determined by the people.
If I were to join a club and did not like what the club became, I would be well within my rights to quit that club. If I go to see a movie and don’t like it, I can walk out. So why would anyone believe that the United States is a “once you’re in you can’t leave” type of deal? When someone doesn’t like the state in which they live they are free to move to another state or even another country.
If secession/independence/splitting up is supported for other people in the world why is it not ok for citizens of the United States? And yes, I know that politicians are garbage and want to maintain their power and control. So please give me your opinion on whether it is legal or not and why you think that way? But please spare me the “if it’s broke, we don’t run away, we fix it” argument. At this point I am fairly certain that it is not repairable.
I prefer extending the invitation to secede on a county by county basis.
It could even be extended to counties in Canada and Mexico, since we are forming a new country.
We could have a referendum on which counties decide where they wanna be, for 4 or 5 decades. Then the borders are sealed.
We already have sovereign enclave nations operating in the United States -- they are called Injun Reservations.
“All U.S. states are governed equally under the U.S. Constitution.”
Oh really? So..states who’s legislature let their court re-write voting laws which violate the constitution are what? More equal?
When it comes down, don’t ask.
The Founders didn’t ask George for permission.
“when in the course of human events”
We no longer have enough common ground. Why would it be a bad idea if we have not enough common ground? Are you arguing that there is still plenty of common ground?
Then the only thing left is a full on cw and whoever wins gets control of the place.
Its untenable as it is.
You will be singing a diferent tune very shortly under these socialist libtards. Blacks are going to go nuts and start wiping out white people in eanest because its payback and all whites are inherently racist, baby, for whatever perceived grievances the gimmeshiite crowdfolk have at the moment.
You kmow the libs are gonna let them because blm antifa were test runs. They want it to happen because a lot of their political enemies will be targeted and murdered, and their hands will be “clean” from the dirty work.
Exactly. We wouldn’t say “May we leave?” We’d say “Fock you, we are out of here!!!!”
The question of the day/week/month/Year
“But for secession, ask yourself, all of the BS foisted on We the People by Congress for the past 60 years...Was it ‘legal’? Certainly. Was it Just or Right? Well..
It is legal. It will have to be fought for and won.
Yabbut, my fear is the outcome of the war of 1812: Status Quo Ante Bellum.
For those of you who didn’t pay attention in high school history, that means “status such as it was , before the war”. No change.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
No.
It proved you have to win the fight to leave.
The side that wanted them to remain, won. That time.
The titles to Indian reservation lands are held by the U.S. government, and the tribes are little more than wards of the government.
-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -
-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Hard to reconcile that with the idea that places filled with people who consider the federal government evil must still stay and obey the evil government they do not consent to be governed by.
Thanks for posting your thoughts!
If I were to join a club and did not like what the club became, I would be well within my rights to quit that club. If I go to see a movie and don’t like it, I can walk out.
So why would anyone believe that the United States is a “once you’re in you can’t leave” type of deal? When someone doesn’t like the state in which they live they are free to move to another state or even another country.
If secession/independence/splitting up is supported for other people in the world why is it not ok for citizens of the United States? And yes, I know that politicians are garbage and want to maintain their power and control.
So please give me your opinion on whether it is legal or not and why you think that way? But please spare me the “if it’s broke, we don’t run away, we fix it” argument. At this point I am fairly certain that it is not repairable.
There’s the rub.
This fake excuse that SCOTUS tries to hide behind, ‘standing’ has led to the end of the constitution they swore to upheld and eventually to the end of the republic they loved so much to get accolades from. DC cocktail parties can only extend so much graceful gaslighting.
Not a suicide pact. Excellent writing.
+1
There wont be permission given.
The right wil have to be exerted and defended.
If the side leaving has good and just reasons for it, I believe that spiritually that gives them a major advantage. Its why the first major attempt to leave failed. I believe the south may have won if they weren’t so dogmatically stuck on demanding slavery continue.
No. It’s not legal. That’s why we fought the Civil War.
Also, consider that only a subset of that CT-sized population was able to vote.
Excellent meme
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