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Coronavirus Live Thread. No 12
3/8/2020

Posted on 03/08/2020 3:05:23 PM PDT by Vermont Lt

Continuation of the thread.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: chinavirus; communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; cvlivethread; dooom; fearmongerthread; hysterics; livethread; testingfail; vaccine; wearesoscrewed; wuhansarscov2
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To: mom aka the evil dictator

Yeah. Our postmistress is probably in her 60’s. Our mail lady is in her late 30’s. The UPS/FedEx guys are very very fit and probably in their mid/late 20’s or early 30’s. Our UPS guy was kind of chubby when he started but now he’s like the ‘after’ in a gym advertisement.


1,821 posted on 03/10/2020 3:53:51 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: independentmind; mrsmith

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1237029037467467776

blown up, here:
https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1237029037467467776/photo/1

h/t mrsmith

from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3822786/posts?page=1550#1550


1,822 posted on 03/10/2020 3:55:03 AM PDT by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Fury
“Are there any studies that measure the loss of mask performance over time while is storage?”

Probably similar to SPAM. It might not taste as good, but it is safe to eat and gives you the nutrients.

Although I did throw away a bunch of masks my old-man sent me in 1984(?) when Mt. Saint Helens blew. I tossed them around 2009 I'm guessing (bird flu). But, IIRC, the only thing bad was the foam on the nose bridge was deteriorated. The rubber bands will get loose over time with use. I got some UV resistant bands to replace the bands on my masks. The masks can be dried out, or zapped with UVC light or ozone to decontaminate them. The ozone however causes the regular bands to go bad.

1,823 posted on 03/10/2020 3:57:03 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: blueplum

Well, this is new information for me.

Thanks.


1,824 posted on 03/10/2020 3:57:08 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will nevz)
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To: 21twelve

Good for him.

The little ‘overpriced’ mini marts probably have a small supply of stuff still in some places.


1,825 posted on 03/10/2020 3:58:06 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mortgage-payments-suspended-across-italy


1,826 posted on 03/10/2020 3:59:32 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Fury

we know their bats are diseased, carrying several sars like strains, and that villagers who live near some of the bat caves have antibodies. We also know that the chicoms give tours of some of these caves, and that bats poo on the visitors. Guangdong and Yunnan provinces among others.

I did a whole write up on it with links about 2 weeks ago, maybe three if you want to mine my posts.

but here’s a quicky from NPR:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807742861/new-research-bats-harbor-hundreds-of-coronaviruses-and-spillovers-arent-rare


1,827 posted on 03/10/2020 4:02:55 AM PDT by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Jane Long

Sounds like the ‘suggestion’ comes first, then the official ‘ban’.

Right now, NY is ‘suggesting’ the millions living there not take the subway.

....
Great point to help watch upcoming trends. Slowly soften the public before enacting harsher measures. Interesting conditioning technique


1,828 posted on 03/10/2020 4:10:16 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: 21twelve

medical workers and first responders right now, but general public later/ But maybe since your wife has been visited a nursing home, she might qualify now? Worth a phonecall to your doc, see if you can get a referral maybe?:

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/hospitals-drive-coronavirus-tests-model-seattle-world/


1,829 posted on 03/10/2020 4:11:59 AM PDT by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Fury

If they have an expiration date they have likely degraded to a point that they are no longer effective. This can be from bands, nose bridges, or even the material itself will degrade to a point they can no longer meet the NIOSH standards for safety and effectiveness. You may not be able to see the degradation on the mask itself.

“Particulate respirator The particulate respirator is the simplest, least expensive, and least protective of the respirator types available. These respirators only protect against particles. They do not protect against chemicals, gases, or vapors, and are intended only for low hazard levels. The commonly known “N-95” filtering facepiece respirator is one type of particulate respirator, often used in hospital to protect against infectious agents. Particulate respirators are “air-purifying respirators” because they clean particles out of the air as you breathe. Even if you can’t see the particles, there may be too many in the air for this respirator to provide adequate protection.”

Read this last line. And once you are in a situation where the particles overtake the mask the mask is what is call spent and needs to be replaced. This is likely what is happening in hospitals where nurses and doctors are getting sick with Covid-19. They are not changing out the mask regularly probably due to lack of supply.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2003-144/default.html


1,830 posted on 03/10/2020 4:14:13 AM PDT by EBH (DNC=Party NON GRATA)
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To: independentmind
Yes, Italy has a remarkably high elder population. I use the term virus mutation interchangeably with strain. Viruses have a great affinity to mutation, hence a new strain emerges. There are many coronavirus strains/mutations, and the one in Italy is very aggressive.

There are seven general coronaviruses known to infect people. Common viruses include 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1. Three others of note: MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV, and our current pandemic SARS-CoV-2.

229E and OC43 are major causes of the common cold. There is no cross-immunity between these two strains, and it is likely that new strains are continually arising by mutation selection.

1,831 posted on 03/10/2020 4:19:27 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Rush is a national treasure.)
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To: blueplum
Thank you for that link. At the moment that is just for hospital workers. We might just end up paying for the test. There is so much different information out there.

One site says the test only works for people that show symptoms, but there have been numerous articles on positive tests with people that don't show symptoms - but are linked to people that got sick by them.

There was a post from some official pamphlet that said “only people that are showing symptoms can spread the virus”!! It is really unbelievable the amount of miss-information out there.

The above statement is on par with the online advice that drinking rubbing alcohol will kill the virus. Although I guess in a sense that is true. I read where numerous Russians HAVE drank rubbing alcohol and killed themselves. (I'm guessing that the virus dies with them?)

1,832 posted on 03/10/2020 4:23:14 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: 21twelve

I don’t think they’ve figured out when pre-symptom shedding starts but it’s pretty prolific during symptoms and a bit afterward, too. But most are saying that symptoms begin abt 5 days after exposure. So I guess there’d be shedding by then, right?!

You’d think Russians, of all people, would have enough sense to not drink rubbing alcohol. Something like 17 Iranians killed themselves doing that, too. Sad people are that uneducated.


1,833 posted on 03/10/2020 4:44:55 AM PDT by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: All

sacramento county

Quarantine: With the shift from containment to mitigation, it is no longer necessary for someone who has been in contact with someone with COVID-19 to quarantine for 14 days. This applies to the general public, as well as health care workers and first responders.

https://www.saccounty.net/news/latest-news/Pages/County-Announces-New-Mitigation-Efforts-COVID-19.aspx


1,834 posted on 03/10/2020 4:47:52 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: blueplum

Re: 1827 - I think the moral of the story is - don’t visit bat caves - unless you’re doing research and dimming the appropriate PPE.

Bats are reservoir species. There’s evidence that shows that flying increases their metabolism which increases their temperature, and which may protect bats from becoming symptomatic and mortalities from the viruses they carry.


1,835 posted on 03/10/2020 4:47:59 AM PDT by Fury
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To: EBH
This is likely what is happening in hospitals where nurses and doctors are getting sick with Covid-19. They are not changing out the mask regularly probably due to lack of supply.

It's also possible that they are bringing hand to mouth or nose inadvertently after adjusting or moving the mask up to eat, drink, etc.

As written before, unused masks (even expired), can serve a purpose to help deter people from bringing hands to mouth and nose. They also have the psychological effect of making other people aware of a mask wearer, which will probably result in people not wanting to be in close proximity to a mask wearer. But people need to be aware of the limitations and practice good hygiene regardless.

1,836 posted on 03/10/2020 4:53:56 AM PDT by Fury
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To: blueplum

Maybe it was the Iranians that I read about.

I just got a five-gallon bucket of 100% alcohol to make hand sanitizer. Two weeks ago I looked at the stack of hand sanitizer at Costco and was tempted to buy some more. “Naw - I have plenty!”

Well, now that the stores are empty, and I gave some to my kids and elderly neighbors - crap! Nothing like the prospect of not being able to buy a $1 bottle (6 oz) at the Dollar Store to make you think the ten 32 oz. bottles you bought 6 weeks ago (on sale!) isn’t enough.


1,837 posted on 03/10/2020 4:55:18 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: 21twelve

is the 100% alcohol you got ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol.

Beware the 100% ethyl alcohol, it might be ‘dried out’ with chemicals you might not want to dunk your hand in, just sayin’.


1,838 posted on 03/10/2020 4:57:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: janetjanet998
it is no longer necessary for someone who has been in contact with someone with COVID-19 to quarantine for 14 days. This applies to the general public, as well as health care workers and first responders.

The area must be very confident of their medical capabilities to handle any surge of potential COVID-19 cases.

1,839 posted on 03/10/2020 4:57:39 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Fury
I'm guessing that our medical system still has the protocol in effect that the mask is tossed after each visit.

I hope they quickly take the Chinese method. Suit up for 8 hours at a time. Use an adult diaper.

1,840 posted on 03/10/2020 4:58:52 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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