Coronavirus Live Thread. No 12

3/8/2020

[Vermont Lt]

Continuation of the thread.

[LilFarmer]

I try to use “unverified” when posting anecdotal items compared to news items. Don’t get me wrong, I believe it is legit. A lot of the “unverified” news out of Wuhan was the only REAL news we had from the area.

[RummyChick]

None. I run low so a temp for me is normal temp...but still low.

Still early...I am convinced VItamic C will knock out a mild version....until I am proven wrong of course.

Not sure it would knock out what Iran and Italy have..

[calenel]

“Center for Medicare and Medicaid wants visitors to nursing homes to wear masks if they visit.”

“Oops, mixed messaging...”

Maybe not. Masks are to protect others *from* you, so the people out in the wilderness are more likely to be infected and the mask supposedly reduces the chance they’ll bring it in and infect the inmates.

Of course, once it gets in it’ll wreak havoc.

[blueplum]

Thanks, mrsmith :)

S, G, V. But I’m a bit confused because there’s been talk of a S, ancestor, and a L, version - more virulent. Does G and V replace L or is S and L just a subscript, to S, G, V? (I am virology illiterate just saying)

I’m not sure how to read the chart?
Clade S:
Shenzhen to TX?, Shenzhen/Guangdong/Yunnan to AZ? Taiwan/Singapore to CA? SoKo to WA (but there’s a stray CA in the middle), Chongqing to WA, Wuhan to CA and IL?
Clade V:
one traveler? Wuhan to Italy to England to WA to Brazil to Switzerland to Finland ??
Clade G: no US

[blueplum]

thanks, Jane. I missed it. appreciate the video clip

[RaceBannon]

report from italy

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html

[PA Engineer]

This one too:

1/ I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of. #COVID19 #coronavirus

2/ This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

3/ I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

4/ I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

5/ All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

6/ I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

7/ The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

8/ The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

9/ Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

10/ the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

11/ Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

12/ Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

13/ Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

14/ The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

15/ Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

16/ There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

17/ Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

18/ We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

20/ I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

Silvia Stringhini

[cgbg]

Masks are to protect others *from* you

Yeah, so if they work you want me wearing a mask right, anywhere, everywhere, so I don't infect you.

I want you wearing a mask so you don't infect me.

However, the CDC says that masks are not effective in any way (as well as a whole bunch of other "reasons" I shouldn't protect you and you shouldn't protect me. :-(

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-cdc-says-americans-dont-have-to-wear-facemasks-because-of-coronavirus-2020-01-30

[calenel]

US smoking rate is 18%, China 25%, not a big difference.

Pollution levels vary significantly, but to simplify it, heavy pollution in a band from Morocco to China, with Japan, Korea nd Italy on the edges. Rest of the world is significantly cleaner, including the US.

In the US, smokers tend to be rural, away from the big cities and away from population centers ruled by nanny-state types.

In China, I suspect that smoking is far more prevalent among the city-dwelling elites, so we’d see a different demographic affected.

[LilFarmer]

Good, take care of you

[cgbg]

New tagline.

[janetjanet998]

BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
NEW: Santa Clara County in California bans mass gatherings with more than 1,000 people due to coronavirus

Last week it was only advice, this time it’s a legal order

[HollyB]

In my lifetime, I’ve never seen such ‘actions’ taken over an illness.

[DEPcom]

Report from Italy on why the Restrictions are Necessary and it will be a long war.

"There were a maximum of two days and then the health system would end up collapsing." Walter Ricciardi, former president of the Higher Institute of Health, ordinary of Hygiene at the Catholic University of Rome, adviser to the Directorate of the European Region of the World Health Organization and adviser to the Minister Roberto Speranza explains why the restrictive measures that "isolate" the whole of Lombardy and 14 provinces of Italy to deal with the coronavirus emergency have been reached.

After reading the two twitter post and this article, I am beginning wonder what trouble do we have coming to the USA. Does Italy have a different strain of the Virus that is more deadly? I do know in the Southeast of the USA there are people who arrive from Italy infected, so we have this strain here in the Southeast.

Link to Ecodibergamo Online paper

Note: I am using a plug in Translator for Microsoft Edge. This allows me to translate any language to English. There is one available for Chrome too.

[Black Agnes]

It’s been about 100 years since the last scary virus.

So yeah, probably not in your lifetime.

This stuff (quarantines, shutdowns, etc) was actually common before public sanitation, antibiotics and the like.

[Black Agnes]

So.

Apologies if this has been posted.

Remember the creepy WHO epidemiologist, Bruce aylward/elward, who said he if got coronavirus he’d want to be treated in China and basically gave them A+++ with gold stars for the whole thing?

Turns out he’s probably ‘owned’ by the chicoms. In a very...’particular’... way:

https://twitter.com/bJ0VEN4UE2ATlSb/status/1236683471587880962

[DEPcom]

Yes they will use young girls to get something on you. That is common practice in third world countries. The Chinese copy claims it is him. Not sure if is him, it is a side shot of his head....

[SE Mom]

I believe the L type is here in Florida- via Italy, but it could be both. I read (not verified) in a study that some patients have both strains at the same time.

So much we don’t know.

[Black Agnes]

So. How many of OUR politicians who voted to send our production to China are also owned in that particular way?

Hmmm...

Ditto our CEO’s, Board of Directors members.

[LilFarmer]

My father-in-law has all kinds of stories his dad told him that this is all bringing to his mind. He has dementia, but his childhood recollection is amazing. He keeps asking me if it is ok for him to go outside. I’m encouraging him to enjoy the sunshine!

Whenever I hear people play down this virus as only harming the elderly, it infuriates me. My FIL is an amazing man, a genuine (non hypocritical) Christian, a wonderful role model for my boys, an embodiment of everything great in our country. In addition he is a national treasure, as one of the early engineers of our missile defenses. To hear others devalue his life because of his age cuts me to the quick.