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Prehistoric Fossil Teeth Spark Heated Debate Over Human Evolution
Seeker ^ | 10/25/2017 | Jen Viegas

Posted on 11/02/2019 10:13:36 AM PDT by gnarledmaw

The teeth, found in Germany, provoked one observer to suggest human history may need to be rewritten. Some experts, however, remain very skeptical.

In a paper shared at the social networking site ResearchGate, Herbert Lutz and his team say they discovered “a new great ape with startling resemblances to African members of the hominin tribe.” The "plausible age” of the fossils — an upper left canine tooth and an upper right first molar — is 9.7 million years, they say.

If confirmed, that would make the teeth around 6 million years older than fossils for the early-human, African ancestor Australopithecus afarensis, aka Lucy. And the age of the teeth would be over 9 million years older than when anatomically modern humans are thought to have migrated out of Africa.

The fossil teeth potentially provide evidence that a human lineage evolved outside of Africa, and before major African human lineages first emerged.

Michael Ebling, the mayor of Mainz, added to the intrigue by telling the German media site Merkurist, “I would suggest that we must start rewriting the history of mankind after today.”

Co-author Axel von Berg, an archaeologist in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate, echoed the excitement when he told Allgemeine Zeitung, “This will amaze experts.”

Lutz, von Berg, and their colleagues report that the teeth exhibit characteristics similar, not only to Lucy, but also to other early hominins such as Ardipithecus ramidus and Ardipithecus kadabba. They estimate that the teeth belonged to an individual who weighed about 33 pounds. In contrast, Lucy is thought to have weighed between 45–110 pounds.

The site where the teeth were unearthed, Germany’s Eppelsheim formation, has previously yielded other important fossils. A femur excavated there in the early 19th century is believed by many to be the world’s first known primate fossil. Excavations between 1934 and 1935 that were directed by scientist Otto Schmidtgen unearthed still more primate fossils with hominoid features. These fossils, all teeth, were somehow lost during World War II, however.

The newly unearthed teeth were found at practically the same spot after 20 years of “painstaking excavations,” the researchers write, adding that, “Both teeth represent a hitherto unknown great ape with startling hominin resemblances.”

The teeth differ from all other known human ancestral remains found in Europe and Asia so far, according to the researchers. The date of the fossils was determined by the geological layer within which they were found and by surrounding microfossils. Radiometric or other more precise methods of dating have not yet been conducted.

Despite the lofty claims about the teeth, human evolution experts have been largely underwhelmed by the new discovery.

“The possible findings of more evidence of hominids outside of Africa is interesting, especially for deep hominin history, but I don’t think the overall picture of hominid evolution will change much,” Carina Schlebusch, an assistant professor in the Department of Organismal Biology at Uppsala University, told Seeker. “Genetics still point to a relatively recent African origin of the variation in all living humans.”

Anthropologist Monte McCrossin of New Mexico State University offered even more harsh words.

“Sadly, this discovery isn’t at all what it claims to be; it’s fool’s gold,” he wrote in a comment posted on ResearchGate. “This site in Germany has nothing whatsoever to do with human evolution.”

Paleoanthropologist David Begun of the University of Toronto and other scientists suspect that one or more of the fossils found at Eppelsheim could have belonged to a genus of extinct primates known as Pliopithecus, and not hominids.

Begun told Seeker that he and his colleagues theorize that the African ape and human lineages arose from a European or Western Asian ancestor that migrated to Africa about 7–9 million years ago. Some human ancestors are then thought to have migrated back to Europe and Asia, while others continued to evolve in Africa.

The complex back and forth migrations might at first seem “unnecessarily complicated,” he said, but he said similar theories help to explain the evolution of other animals, such as aardvarks and hippos.

Evidence for possible early human presence outside of Africa also goes beyond debates over the Eppelsheim teeth.

In August, it was reported that fossil footprints possibly belonging to a hominin were found on the island of Crete. They date to 5.7 million years ago. According to the authors of the paper, published in the Proceedings of the Geologists’ Association, the individual who left the prints was bipedal, walked on the soles of its feet, and exhibited other human-like characteristics.

In August, it was reported that fossil footprints possibly belonging to a hominin were found on the island of Crete. They date to 5.7 million years ago. According to the authors of the paper, published in the Proceedings of the Geologists’ Association, the individual who left the prints was bipedal, walked on the soles of its feet, and exhibited other human-like characteristics.

While experts debated the many possibilities, Lutz’s voice and that of his team was notably absent.

“Our paper provoked contradiction, which we take very seriously,” Lutz told Seeker. “We will now first reexamine the finds to see which of the proposed relationships is the most plausible one.”

Relationships refers to how the teeth should be classified.

“Under these circumstances,” he added, “we want to postpone any further comment until we have cleared the situation.”

The initial controversy over the Eppelsheim discovery has fizzled out — for now. But it’s clear that many important questions remain about human evolution, which could significantly impact our lives.

Differences in genetics, for example, can affect medical treatments. Neanderthal heritage, for example, can influence a person’s appearance, behavior, health, and even habits, such as smoking.

The very word Neanderthal derives from the German name for a small valley of the river Düssel favored by these early humans, which many anthropologists place within our species Homo sapiens. The bucolic site lies northwest of Eppelsheim, and both areas fall within a region known to have been inhabited by hominids before the major migrations of anatomically modern humans out of Africa began.

Time will tell if the newly discovered teeth will add to the fossil record for early humans in this part of the world.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; ardipithecus; australopithecus; eppelsheim; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; lucy; missinglink; origins; palaeoanthropology; paleontology; researchgate
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1 posted on 11/02/2019 10:13:36 AM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw

Instead of “Out of Africa” it’s going to be “Into Africa”?


2 posted on 11/02/2019 10:24:08 AM PDT by sevlex
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To: gnarledmaw

Instead of “Out of Africa” it’s going to be “Into Africa”?


3 posted on 11/02/2019 10:25:01 AM PDT by sevlex
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To: gnarledmaw

The teeth of these guys last 9.7 million years and I can’t get mine to last even 50.


4 posted on 11/02/2019 10:35:32 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary walks free, equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: gnarledmaw

As long as scientists search for clues to naturalistic evolution, from non-life to paramecium to man, they will be stymied. Only when scientists accept the God of Creation will they see progress.


5 posted on 11/02/2019 10:40:03 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("The strangest women run wild down there Covered head to toe with Fur and hair." Al Stewart in Hanno)
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To: gnarledmaw

“Michael Ebling, the mayor of Mainz, added to the intrigue by telling the German media site Merkurist, “I would suggest that we must start rewriting the history of mankind after today.””

Because Burgermeisters are experts at everything.


6 posted on 11/02/2019 10:45:25 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yup,
I’m flossing
Like crazy too.


7 posted on 11/02/2019 10:46:48 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: sevlex
Instead of “Out of Africa” it’s going to be “Into Africa”?

The story sounds like BS, but return migration into Africa is known through genetics.

8 posted on 11/02/2019 10:47:26 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: ifinnegan
I know...

Me and my assistant, Sunkenciv, sneaking into Eppelshiem dig undercover.


9 posted on 11/02/2019 11:12:06 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: gnarledmaw

“If confirmed, that would make the teeth around 6 million years older than fossils for the early-human, African ancestor Australopithecus...”

Oops! I don’t think we can have that - would destroy the narrative of Mother Africa.


10 posted on 11/02/2019 11:26:15 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


11 posted on 11/02/2019 11:46:12 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: gnarledmaw
Thanks gnarledmaw.

12 posted on 11/02/2019 12:02:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: gnarledmaw

ManBearPig.


13 posted on 11/02/2019 12:52:10 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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***If confirmed, that would make the teeth around 6 million years older than fossils for the early-human, African ancestor Australopithecus afarensis, aka Lucy***

It is too early to validate this claim; however, I have reserved a doubt that humankind originated in Africa {Lucy}. I am suspicious that it is more political than established.

to wit: ('our'?) Scientists believe our ancestral homeland is south of the Zambezi River in the country's north...

14 posted on 11/02/2019 1:21:04 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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Its good to question the ridiculous claims of the religion of settled science. I dont believe in OoA, I don’t believe agriculture is a new discovery, I don’t believe the peopling of the Americas myth, and among other things I do believe in is advanced pre-ice age cultures. Im just a total heretic.


15 posted on 11/02/2019 1:31:50 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: Big Red Badger

My problem was I went to this crook dentist when I was 19 back in the early 1980s, and had a job that provided free dental insurance and this guy just went to town on me. I was naive as hell plus he had a female assistant that could have passed as a porn star with her boobs hanging over me, and he proceed to basically destroy all my teeth by drilling the hell out of them then claiming I needed root canals and crowns. And incredibly he’s still in business. I lost half my teeth because of that bastard


16 posted on 11/02/2019 1:35:42 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary walks free, equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That’s a Horror story
FRiend!
.
I’m thinking
Wood Chipper,


17 posted on 11/02/2019 2:08:56 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: gnarledmaw
***I dont believe in OoA, I don’t believe agriculture is a new discovery, I don’t believe the peopling of the Americas myth, and among other things I do believe in is advanced pre-ice age cultures. Im just a total heretic.***

I do not know what OoA is, but on every other point we agree for sure. If you would like to read over some of my views on settled science, here is a book I wrote that didn't get published... easy read and short chapters.

18 posted on 11/02/2019 2:40:55 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland; gnarledmaw
:^)
19 posted on 11/02/2019 2:56:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: gnarledmaw

Will ping later.


20 posted on 11/02/2019 3:01:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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