Posted on 09/11/2019 12:34:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
If you follow the debate over renewable energy, fossil fuels and nuclear, you probably know the biggest selling point that proponents of solar and wind preach about. It’s clean. Wind power, in particular, pushes the fact that nothing gets burned, no carbon is generated… it’s just giant, beautiful turbine blades spinning in the breeze and cranking out electricity for the masses.
But is it true? Well… mostly. But it turns out there’s one significant exception to that rule. Those giant turbine blades break or wear out over time and then they have to be replaced. And there’s almost nothing useful to be done with them so most wind up in landfills. (NPR)
While most of a turbine can be recycled or find a second life on another wind farm, researchers estimate the U.S. will have more than 720,000 tons of blade material to dispose of over the next 20 years, a figure that doesn’t include newer, taller, higher-capacity versions.
There aren’t many options to recycle or trash blades, and what options there are is expensive, partly because the U.S. wind industry is so young. It’s a waste problem that runs counter to what the industry is held up to be: a perfect solution for environmentalists looking to combat climate change, an attractive investment for companies such as Budweiser and Hormel Foods, and a job creator across the Midwest and Great Plains.
720,000 tons of turbine blades is a lot of material to dispose of. And because they have to be lightweight, yet strong, they’re made of a rather nasty combination of resins and fiberglass. Oh, and they’re still very heavy. And big. The blades range from 100 to 300 feet in length. Moving them requires special trucks and equipment to lift, load and unload them. That gets expensive pretty quickly.
Then there’s the problem of what to do with them. Since most wind farms are put out in rural areas, the township or county may have only a single landfill in operation, and generally not a large one. They don’t want their entire landfill taken up with a pile of these gigantic blades. Most utilities wind up having to cut the blades down to a more manageable size using special equipment. That adds more cost to the process and generates more resin and fiberglass dust.
NPR interviewed one guy in Texas who has started a company aiming to recycle the blades as much as possible. But that requires stripping all the resin off and then grinding them down into pellets that can then be used to make things like decking material. But the technology is still in its developmental stages and that’s an expensive process when all you’re producing is basically fiberglass pellets.
Is this enough to sink the wind energy industry? Certainly not. But it’s something for investors to consider and an issue that the industry will have to find a way to deal with going forward. And it’s also a good reminder that whenever someone tells you they’ve found a “clean” way to produce energy, be sure to look closely. No business is ever as clean as they make it out to be.
RE: Those that are serious about clean power have one choice: Nuclear.
What do we do with the radioactive waste material?
I read to produce the materials for 1 electric car battery - 500,000 lbs of material have to be dug from the earth, hauled, processed, shipped.
Whoop-de-doo, we dispose of 73,000 tons of straws per year.
What a weird article. I’m not a big fan of wind; I think (over and above the commonly cited issues) they generate pressure waves that are very unhealthy for those nearby. (within a mile or so)
“an attractive investment for companies such as Budweiser and Hormel Foods...
Huh?
As for recycling the blades, that’s very low tech and a solution will be found.
Check these Ted talks out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciStnd9Y2ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTKl5X72NIc
Extra credit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZXUR4z2P9w
"American ingenuity ..."
They wreck the views of the country side and cause lots of noise for people nearby and slice and dice many birds plus does not produce much power especially during a calm day.
Total waste except for farms were there is no nearby source of energy...
Without tax payer money there would be none..
They would never allow a drill rig...Went on a road trip...went down the Columbia river and what did I see Windmills...why they did not put them back a few miles is beyond me.
Spanish wind farms kill 6-18 million birds & bats a year Jan. 2012
“A fundamental physics problem. Theoretical limits.”
No problem, the affirmative action physicists being graduated from our prestigious technical universities will solve the problems by the “it feels like this works” approach.
They use a back up power supply to keep turning when theres no wind. Sometimes it costs more than the meager amount of energy they produce.
There is nothing good about them. In fact they couldnt even work without regular powered backup. They also have a negative health impact on people living near them, because of the constant noise and vibration, they ruin the landscape and they kill thousands of migratory birds a year.
And EV batteries. We need a “Yucca Mountain” waste disposal place where all green technology waste can be interred for 10,000 years.
Recycling the blades is a big concern. Most recyclers wont accept them because they take up too much discs and theres no cost-effective way of breaking them down. Particularly for something that doesnt even pay its own way during its lifetime.
Cats and windows do not kill raptors, windmills do, by the tens of thousands. In 50 years eagles, owls, hawks, buzzards, and vultures will be made extinct by windmills.
To extract one ton of virgin lithium from Chile, 1,250 tons of earth must be dug up.
This article details some of the issues with batteries. While seemingly talking in favor of it as well. I see it creating a bigger issue than oil & gas myself.
Not nearly as ECO friendly as they want people to believe.
I recall about 10 years ago when a guy built a house on the WA side of the Columbia. Followed all the permits etc including set backs from the edge. Oregon complained that his lights at night were visable pollution and tied the guy up in a legal fight. No such complaints 10 years later when the dang windmills went in
I knew that was the case. From like June to August, there are days without much wind....nada, but those turbines are working.
I bet there is no NET power coming from those loud and unsightly things.
But the farmers get $5000 bucks a year to have them on their land.
They kill huge numbers of migratory birds — many of them endangered. But your typical enviro never seems to consider this. That & the fact that every solar or wind farm needs back up fossil fuel plants to carry peak loads when the sun ain’t shining and the winds aren’t blowing (or are blowing so hard the blades need to be locked).
And a 20 year tax abatement from the local pols.
When that’s gone, so will be the current windfarm owners
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